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Star Trek Continues - Divided We Stand - A message on the value of freedom

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The latest "fan produced" episode "Divided We Stand" of Star Trek Continues.
While it continues some of the false history of Lincoln's Looter War, the message of freedom is worth enduring it for.
If you long for an authentic continuation of Star Trek, the original series, you will get it with Star Trek Continues.
Review of this episode:
https://www.the-newshub.com/film-and-...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    Thanks. I am amazed at how good these fan produced episodes are. I never thought there would be any beyond the original 79. I used to buy books with hit-and-miss fan fiction Star Trek stories in the 80s.

    If they charged for these fan videos, I would pay for them. I never thought I'd see a time with fan videos available for free.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
      As I understand it, Paramount and CBS only allow these productions if they are on a not for profit basis. I think the copyright owners might not approve if they charged for them. (just my opinion)
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
    Thank you for letting us know about this. I will look forward to watching the episode.

    Hmmm. I wonder if the studios would permit them to make a profit off ads accompanying their video...? (Or maybe the studios will eventually get a clue as to what people would like to watch. Not gritty, not depressing...After all, it worked to revive the VW bug.)

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
      Jan, the whole Star Trek thing is a great study in Intellectual property and rights. While Paramount and Sony both have allowed loose use of the material there have been 2 cases of "cease and desist". Both involved cases where they tried to put thier stuff onto DVD and sell it to help fund more work. Prelude is trying to stay away from the main bulk of std Trek material, and most of the others have just blown ahead and hoped for the best. I think Paramount and Sony are using them to keep the franchise alive. There is much debate in the support community of where Trek is heading. of course the bulk is asking why no series, but there is some weird legal thing that came up after the JJ movies started that stalled any other productions.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
        Weird legal things certainly impacted the LOTR production, so I can see this might be the case. Still, if there is an active fan base and money to be made, one might see a path to a series as well as some movies (and let's hope the series would be better than the most recent movie).

        Jan
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      • Posted by Texaswildfire 8 years, 6 months ago
        Where the JJ movies were entertaining, they did not really do justice to the original series . Everything is so overblown and exaggerated that it is hard to believe it is the same storeyline.
        It would have been nice to use some facts and relevance from the original series such as crew size and the size of the ship.
        Thanks to Netflix all the series still live.
        " Live Long and Prosper ".
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
          There is a lot of angst over JJ's interpretation of Trek. I think a lot of it comes from studio pressure to make it different and bolder. Notice the flashy bridge, which was a huge jump from supposedly just diverging the timeline. I just let it go as just another interpretation that can be either embraced or rejected. That was why I helped fund Axanar, The more people vote with their money, the more the studios will have to (someday) wake up. Richard Hatch (ex-Apollo, original Battlestar Galactica) makes an excellent summation of just where the industry is at in their SD Comic Con Panel on You Tube, if you are interested. I was impressed with his perception. K'Plah!
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          • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
            The link for the SD comic con Axanar panel :
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0_P...
            Hatch's comments start at about 15 minutes, but the entire video is worth watching if you have interest in Trek or film making.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
              Also, here is an article where Gwyneth Paltrow questions how Robert Downey Jr is worth 111 million for one movie.

              http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gw...
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              • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
                Pot calling the kettle black, but it is nice to see discord in the enemy.
                “I am who I am. I can’t pretend to be somebody who makes $25,000 a year.”
                Paltrow reportedly gets a paltry 16 million per movie. Could be that Downey is a better businessman than he is an actor.
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                  Or has a better agent. But it is a good explanation for the huge surge in costs for a movie. I am sure it is always based on the actors "draw" and how many people will go just to see him in a movie. I am not onboard with the "value" they bring, but I am sure they all justify it to each other.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                    Must be if you mean Morton Downey Jr. He isn't that great an actor and has no particular star power. Not when set against Nick Cage or any of the others. I recall Sean Connery getting a million for a five second cameo in Robin Hood. Downey is definitely fifth rate.
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                    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
                      Robert Downey, Jr
                      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000375/
                      imo, good as Sherlock Holmes, although the digital SFX certainly add to the effect. Otherwise, he is a decent actor who has been touted as fantastic by insiders for decades.
                      He would have made a good effort at Francisco, imo. ;^)
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                      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                        I like the word touted. That's what shills on sidewalks do in SF's North Beach. LMAO - OK a fantastic fifth rate actor. Maybe he needs some milage. Clint Eastwood became exceptionally good when he switched to drama and action drama. Downey is like Cruise....not believable in his roles.
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                        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                          I am not adverse to him, I liked his way of doing the Ironman stint. But 111 million is a lot of coin for even 3 months work. I think it goes back to the definition of value and what is real and what is percieved. She was complaining she didn't think he was worth 111 million because women didn't get the same amount. If she had gotten 111 million she would have been ok with it, I believe. I think all the studios are not giving fair value to their shareholders, when they just toss money around that way, in that movies become bigger and bigger crap shoots that they gamble the companies money on and "hope" they get it rich. There should be a lot more thought and investigation into what is cost effective and has a good chance of making money in entertainment. A little "out of the box" investigation and thinking might give a better return for investors. Right now it's "throw it a the wall and see what sticks " mode.
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                          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                            Did a sort of home study assignment on the worst places to invest money...and the best.

                            Movies came up with the highest returns in a short time IF you were one of the insiders. Outsiders got short shrift.

                            So they rated at the bottom of the scale as safe investments.

                            The contracts alone meant spend a bundle on a lawyer versed in that sort of thing. There is not only off the top but off the bottom and out of the middle. Then all the extras start like DVD TV Amazon sales etc.

                            The bundled approach seemed good in some respects. You pick one actor or actress or the same with directors or producers and invest in his or her next five or ten films or twenty. If they are...bankable....and the contract lets you get paid early enough pretty good deal.

                            But for those of you in the industry I wonder what the aspirin and tylenol rate per day must be. Now you say Downey did Ironman? As a competitor. He always reminded me of someone who couldn't lift his plate from the table unless he finished everything and then couldn't lift himself.
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                            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                              it seems that the "bank them" process is almost exclusively how they get actors. I would say they all use some bizarre calculation on their "draw". But no one is worth 111 million. Even if the movie gets 750 million in take, it would be just as bankable at 25 million. I think it is all modeled on government spending and contracts. Whats good for the Goose...
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                          • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
                            The programming team that creates the first true to life actor/actress won't get paid 111 million per film, but it should have a substantial effect on the cost of acting talent, and their idiotic political causes, but the digital actors will have very politically correct opinions, I suspect.
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                            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                              Indeed so. It is connected to the fact all media is a powerful tool that allows a specific mindset to reach a huge crowd. However, it even has it's own set of rules and patrons, witness the fact AS1-3 were never seen in many theaters. I didn't even find out about AS1 until I was looking for some AR material after I listened to the audio book.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
              Thanks for the link, I didn't have time to look for it. Appreciate it, you are right, worth watching. Richard seems to have a good grasp of what is needed in the business.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 8 years, 6 months ago
    I'd long meant to catch up on this series, and just watched the first episode "Pilgrim of Eternity" I look forward to seeing what "Divided We Stand" says about freedom, and I think the show I saw was very well done.

    But I was saddened to see that episode 1 is an open encomium to self-sacrifice, featuring the metaphysical contradiction that at least one being can gain the energy of life itself from self-sacrificial acts. And Kirk endorses self sacrifice as the way to live. So sad. It's either rape and pillage, or self-sacrifice, because there is no such thing as long-term self-interest or a right to live and be happy, at least, that's the attitude of the screenwriters.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 6 months ago
      The unfortunate jarring downside to Star Trek. They really like to drive the episode's "lesson" home with a sledge. And the lessons tended to be altruistic.

      The original series had some of the best sci-fi writers of the time creating episodes, and they were always interesting. You could tell if the episodes were created by ST writers or outsiders pretty easily.

      Still an enjoyable series in spite of the underpinnings.

      The Star Trek Continues started out with follow-ups to TOS episodes.

      Pilgrim of Eternity - Follow on to - Who Mourns for Adonis
      Lolani - also a follow on, but don't recall the name of the original episode.
      Fairest of them All - follow on to - Mirror, Mirror

      They are trying to follow the existing materials for the Star Trek milieu. That material pushes the altruism, since that was what Gene Roddenberry set it up as. He really pushed this, and not just in Star Trek either. Genesis II was a series pilot that aired in the 70s, same group underpinnings as ST. Given the history, they really have to get some good writing to step beyond those constraints without offending the fan base (which still exists)

      Since it is fan written, produced, and acted, kind of trapped.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    I was not a fan of the show on TV. I own all the movies. For one reason they didn't Star Wars the idea in to mush. It wasn't the big screen I don't go to theaters at all but wait for the convenience of the DVD. Which reminds me I have both the John Carter on Mars DVDs thanks to whomever started that conversation. 300 newer version The Immortals is garbage and The Nick Cage movie Season of the Witch is a thumbs up. Got that one just because of the cast list. Nothing to do with anything except my 'test it -is it useful attitude.' It's more than just philosophy.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
    If you liked that go to Prelude to Axanar and see something that I think is tops of this genre:

    https://youtu.be/1W1_8IV8uhA
    All fan funded, and voulunteer based but with a plan for the future. The 1st half of the movie is funded, and will start production in January.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
      Yes, the Prelude looks good, but its just a narrative with some CG. I do look forward to seeing their finished product. The attraction of ST Continues is the authenticity to STOS (and the nostalgia factor, too.) STC is also putting the ethical, heroic message and connection to its characters into the productions, and that is sorely lacking in almost every current production regardless of budget.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        Yep, one reason I chose to back Axanar, it is really a way to say what you believe should be going on in entertainment, just as I do not go see Fast and Furious 47. I vote with my ticket and money. Which is the way it should be.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Just be glad it wasn't Jackboot Janet in charge there would be charred infant corpses to deal with. ATF is part of the protective echelon as I recall. I would expect no less an assignment for a chronically historical rogue agency. thanks to people like them I feel the need to carry north of the border and don't even think about it south of the border. There is no doubt which side is the most dangerous.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        BTW, remember that Prelude was done for 80K, and was a proof of concept film made solely to show the kickstarter world what they could do. They actually got about 800K for the setup of the studio and then about 525K so far for the film.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      Return to Axanar / The Four Years War (Star Trek RPG) (2 Book Set) Paperback – 1986
      by John A Theisen (Author)
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      See all formats and editions

      Amazon.com

      Paperback
      from $49.98
      17 Used from $49.98 8 New from $91.75
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        Thanks, Michael, Alec Peters, the producer who has been working on the project for a few years, said that it was based on the FASA books for the 4 years war. The 2 books you reference are for the FASA game ( a role playing game) where they basically "made up" things as they went along. Paramount pulled their license in 1989 because of the conflicts they believed existed between FASA and what Paramount called "canon". A lot of Trek fans still cling to the FASA interpretation, but Alec has changed the storyline a little to make it fit what the Garth of Izar character was supposedly having done in the Battle of Axanar ( referenced in the episode Whom Gods destroy). FASA was one of the things that held the Star Trek franchise together during the 80's until the Next generation started.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...The_Role_Playing_Game

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom_Go...
        %28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

        Thanks for the reference to the book, I didn't know they had one they had made.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Amazon had all and game but it looks like collectors prices now. Not even a value good or acceptable to be found. It was getting that way with two books I'm passing on to another poster Not This August and Kornbluth and Pohl and the Taylor Caldwell look at the future from the fifties Devil's Advocate. Morris West was the first to plagiarize the title. Some of these items will end up only as memoriaes. I saw that happen with other forms of good top drawer writing. Al Hobart's Winding Trails column in a weekly newspaper put out near the Oregon Caves area. Classic memories and stories from as far back as the late 1800's from residents he interviewed they are gone so are the columns. When the newspaper was bought out the morgue was donated to the County Museum which in their wisdom promptly burnt them all. Along with some of the on loan exhibits which disappeared. I never gave them a dime after that.So much of the past is gone forever....sad.

          Well.. that's a side comment. but to tie it into this forum it's as if someone wants all traces of the old independent pioneer spirit erased.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
            Very Orwellian, sounds like. Though it is the market, not the gov't in this case. Much like Fahrenheit 451 which was illustrative of what happens when we allow government to take total control. Ray Bradbury liked to go in those directions.
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