Challenge on Constitutionality of Common Core

Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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In Idaho, a lawyer who was running for Attorney General in the last elections has now filed a lawsuit against the Governor of Idaho (RINO), the Superintendant of Schools, and a few others arguing that Idaho's participation in Common Core violates the Constitution.

Here's his claim: the Constitution specifically states that States may not enter into agreements one with another outside the approval of Congress. Since Congress never voted to approve Common Core, it amounts to an illegal intra-State "treaty".

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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 10 years, 4 months ago
    I don't believe the Constitution authorizes Congress
    to impose a particular school program on the states
    in the first place (though it may authorize the Con-
    gress to issue some act to enforce the 14th Amend
    -ment when a State is violating it, as in the case
    of segregation).
    ---By the way "intra-State" means within a state;
    between two different States, the term is "inter-
    state", for instance, in the case of a highway.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Congress never passed a law regarding Common Core, so everything is relegated to the individual states to debate in their respective legislatures. This is the first Federal challenge I am aware of because it cites Congress' Constitutional authority.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 4 months ago
    The current Administration doesn't seem to care if something is Constitutional or not. The Supreme Court under Roberts has been a major disappointment. My thinking is that it is unconstitutional but will most likely stay in place.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Department of Energy? (just kidding) I think you meant the NEA.

    While I agree, Article I Section 8 must be asserted by the individual States, and they have been loathe to do so. The legal challenge treating Common core as an intra-State treaty is a much more objective standard.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. It is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They were also supported by the Governor and part of the teachers' unions, as well as a lot of media. The Governor touts the money received by Common Core as critical to education: the Idaho budget for education is ~60% of the total budget.

    The lawyer bringing the suit is Chris Troupis. Those supporting him include more than 100 private groups who want to get rid of Common Core and return control of education to the State.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 10 years, 4 months ago
    Tenth Amendment - Reserved Powers. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Article I, Section 8 designates NOTHING regarding Federal power and education. The DOE is clearly unconstitutional.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I say stop the funding of schools through property taxes. Makes me want to live in such a way as I reduce my property tax to stop funding these ridiculous public schools. Who cares about common core- the real problem is the government indoctrination centers we call schools.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 4 months ago
    Mandatory public education violates the constitution. Once we have public education it matters little what they teach. Eventually it will be what the government decides you should learn- which will benefit them of course.
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  • Posted by RimCountry 10 years, 4 months ago
    This entire issue (and many others) could be once and forever resolved with clarification of the General Welfare clause - the federal government shall not interfere in any matter where the states have clear and competent jurisdiction. And as for mandating minimum standards, that can (and should) be done through national associations. That's none of the federal government's business... if we support the free market, then that should apply as well to the marketplace of ideas... education.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I occasionally coach kids who tell me they want to become veterinarians. I first give them a math quiz: "What's 6x9?"

    If the cannot instantly say 54 then I don't bother going any further. If they express how they'll use a calculator I say, "Not for MY horse you won't!"

    Anyone who's reached 7th grade and has not learned the multiplication table up to 12x12 (better is 20x20) is not fit to do science or higher math.
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  • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 4 months ago
    It's a lot more complicated than that. There's a private foundation that funded support of Common Core in Idaho, to the tune of millions of dollars. It also funds the organization that's funding the lawsuit. It also funds the online publication that broke this story. It's very weird.
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  • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    'Twas ever thus. I remember coming home from 4th grade with "New Math" and my parents couldn't explain it to me.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, I have an MBA and I've looked at the common core nonsense and that's exactly what it is. You don't teach math that takes a hundred steps to complete at a fourth grade level! You might start with addition and subtraction with first graders using pictoral examples, but then you teach them their times tables so they can quickly do basic multiplication and division through rote memorization - which is a whole lot faster than taking five minutes to figure out a solution that should take less than five seconds.

    My mother-in-law taught kindergartners and she complained to my wife and I numerous times about the stupidity that came with Common Core. I'd suggest that instead of impugning others, you actually LOOK at the curriculum and who it is geared to. Your ivory tower is crumpling.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The woman in the video most likely knows how absurd what she's saying sounds. As she says at the end, she's formally educated. She clearly knows better. The example she describes sounds like a great way to introduce kids to division for the first time. It absolutely blows my mind that anyone falls for this.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, have you seen the math under Common Core? I have when my kids bring it home and its a complete disaster. I tell them to ignore the way Common Core tells them to do it and teach them the old-school method - long division, carrying tens when multiplying, and multiplication table memorization.

    If you want to see just one example of the sheer idiocy that is Common Core, watch this:
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/arka...
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago
    I think the whole Common Core issue is a huge nothingburger. It just shows there's no low people won't stoop to to politicize something, even education. I support privatizing the schools in some fashion, but if we're going to have public schools, having some standards is a good idea. The Common Core worksheets that critics hold out as extreme examples are very typical grade-school-worksheet style stuff. It blows my mind they're wasting their time with litigating over this stuff, unless they think it's a first step toward privatized schools. I don't think they think that. It's just shameless politics. I can't believe their still at it after all these years.
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