That’s part of your problem there. You are trying to legitimatize ideology that creates victims by sorting out the good practicers from the bad.This is how Hitler got so far. it would be absurd to try and count the numbers of the violent and the evil. Try finding an accurate number of German Nazis and nazi sympathizers from WW2 and you will be most likely be re-directed to the number of victims. Ah, hindsight.

Yes Maph, you are correct that there is diversity in islam; there are over 30 different names for slaves in islam. Did you know that up until the early 1960's that you could still buy & sell slaves in Saudi Arabia? But, only if you were a muslim. Do you believe that slavery no longer exists in Islam? Here you go:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/10/...

Yes, I was in the military. I went to Turkey ('wait, they're secular!...Really, you believe that?). I didn't go to the popular Istanbul either: I went where unless you were in the military, you didn't go there as a tourist. Ever been to Adana? Worse yet, have you spent some time in Iskenderun? I have. cok gizell? lol, I wish.

Maph, have you ever been stared down, with serious intentions by an increasingly large group of men whom speak a language you know little of? Have you ever wondered if you were going to live to make it out of such a place? Have you ever been told by someone who's fluent in the language you barely know ''You need to get out of here, the sooner the better, they don't like you here".? And all you were doing was conducting official business (emphasis here) in civilian clothes? No, I'm not going to tell you what I did, it is irrelevant to this conversation.

I have. I noticed you haven't answered my two questions...scared?

Now, for the 'peaceful' muslims. I had numerous maids and gardeners during my time there. There was ONE gardener I was ok with. But this was near the end of my time there, and I was highly knowledgeable of Turkish (at the time) and was much higher guarded on maintaining my boundaries than ever before.

But for the rest of them: they all lie, cheat & steal from you. Why? Because you & I are infidels. They are entitled (like democrats) to steal from you. Was there anything I could do about it? Nope. Why? Because they are muslim and I'm not. If you're ok with constantly being lied to & stolen from and you're ok with not being able to do anything about it, can I come over to your place & pillage what I want? Got a PS4? THANKS FOR YOUR 'GENEROSITY'!

Why are they like that? Because Mohammed said it's ok. It's ingrained in their culture. Get it?

This is why I have laughed in the face of a few young people who have told me 'Oh, I know islam: I took a class on it in college!' LOLOLOLOL. Really? Oh boy, & let me guess, it was taught by a muslim who's obliged to LIE to you because you're a kafir, an infidel and you are stupid enough to believe them?

There are many other experiences both my better half and I had in TU that I won't mention here.

NOTHING can replace what is directly experienced in an Islamic country versus what is instructed in a stupid college, politically-correct classroom.

I had 2 LONG years of it. Versus someone, somewhere safely tucked away in an American college classroom for a semester? Give me a break. Now, if you haven't lived in a islamic country, or haven't been in an indoctrination class in college, then it seems you're going along with the bought-and-owned MSM narrative. I can tell you're trying to chip away at my credibility & it won't work.

Now, the questions I have for you again are: What are you afraid of finding out about the TRUTH on islam and why are you defending them and their hideous ideology so fervently?

Would you stop playing into the dhimmi role they have laid out for you so well? Seriously.

Here's a good link on islamic 'diversity' & tolerance.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/...

That site and barenakedislam, and Dr. Bill Warner's http://politicalislam.com are the only sites I regard as credible. I ignore others.

I love your question there. It also points to my question I have asked twice now: what is he afraid of?

Yes

I think at the most innocent levels of practice there is evil. All rules placed on women for example. And the punishments. Considering how outspoken you are about accepting diversity -why aren 't you critical of their practice of condemnation of homosexuality?

Diversity is going against allah. So is human nature. Submit or be killed.

And butterflies eat gum drop... in imaginary land. Watch out for the unicorn.

I’m actually go to back you up on this. They don’t all believe the same thing. There are many regional differences. There are difference in traditional clothing, custom, language, and practices. The problem is the hardlinrs, (not just the Taliban) have corrupted traditions and spread fear and hate through large populations of the middle east and eastern asia. Even in Iran,the people are not free to reflect on their own ancestral heritage. For example: Iranian teenagers rebel by openly wearing rings or other adornments with ties to Zoroastrianism, a state religion prior to the Arab conquest. This is a punishable offense.

The big-picture problem is that the religious zealots have pretty much swallowed up whole communities covering large swatches of the globe. Mankind doesn’t have the luxury of time to sort through to look for the innocent. We have already lost many beautiful cultures to this rabid dog. At this point, collateral damage is preferred over allowing the extreme voice of the victors to write the history.

Why can't they accept that it's ALL extreme...and evil. I don't understand this blindness or barrier that keeps people from seeing and saying the TRUTH. When did weakness in Americans become the accepted norm anyway?? arg

Yes. I know, I watched the videos...it's too horrible. All it does is piss me off beyond measure...

You want to defeat islam, make it mandatory to have every man & woman in ALL Western military's watch it prior to engaging in battle & show how it's legally enforced by Sharia Law...so that it shuts up any naysayers who used the often & tired 'Well, they're practicing an extreme from of islam...'

Maph, you should know that this conversation on this very topic is one I have had countless times over since coming back from my 2-year stay in hell (middle east). What's interesting are the things you say about islam, isn't any different than the things Christians said to me (uninformed Christians e.g., ignorant on islam) back in the late '90's.

Most of them had a change of mind when I told them what I'm going to tell you. I'm thinking this won't make a difference with you, but I think it's best you should know anyway...at least you won't be able to accuse me of not telling you the truth.

Do you know what a dhimmi is? Do you know what dhimmitude is? You are a dhimmi and you are practicing dhimmitude, whether you like it or not. Pretty cool huh? I'm am NOT a dhimmi and never will be. And now for the education.

A dhimmi is a conquered person in islamic-conquered countries who has extremely limited "freedom" (if you can call it that) that's allowed by their muslim masters. Everyone here knows how badly treated women are right? Well, dhimmis are BENEATH that of their women. In fact, one Immam informed his followers that dhimmis can be bought, sold & traded like cattle. Dhimmis can be killed at no legal cost to the muslim, if the dhimmi does not obey his muslim master.

For more information (You'll want to know this for the future) read the brilliantly simple "Sharia Law for Non-muslims" by Dr. Bill Warner. It contains everything you'll need to know as a dhimmi. Oh, if you intend on living such a compromised lifestyle, I suggest you DON'T mention that you're a total NON-BELIEVER: They'll make you suffer a horrible death. Muzzies don't tolerate atheists AT ALL. Dhimmi status is reserved for Jews and Christians (People Of The Book ~ Mohammed couldn't read...some 'prophet' huh?)

Dhimmitude is the odd (my opinion) behavior exhibited by dhimmies that's marked by steadfast defense of their muslim masters to non-dhimmies, no matter how badly they are treated. In fact, it has been historically proven that dhimmies went to war FOR THEIR MASTERS in battle against the very people who sought to FREE them from slavery! I can see you easily falling into such an arrangement, as long as you wouldn't tell them you're an atheist.

So, again: what are you afraid of? Second, why are you defending them? Deep thoughts....

And this horrible practice is still happening today. And grown women hold down the young girls so the so called male Dr. Can cut them up. That's some serious brainwashing and or serious fear. Force and guilt constant. Hell.

Yeah. Clitorectomies. Circumcision is mandatory for men...and also for women. This of course, is according to Mohammed. Unfortunately, Mohammed's dim understanding on what is circumcision is at the cost of many women's lives. Imagine if the exact procedure done on women were done to men: we wouldn't have to worry about muslims raping women would we now?

Thank you aj.

Infidel is a must read for anyone who even marginally believes that Islam has any credibility as a religion of peace and equality. Below is a link to a creation by Theo Van Gogh. Ms. Ali, the author of Infidel, was part of its creation. Theo was murdered with a butchers knife on the street in daytime for this film and Ms. Ali has had to hire bodyguards from protection ever since

If you ask me, believe nothing when it comes to islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neQcqyUAh...

A link to the reporting of his murder
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_11_...

The author of infidel is female. It is all force and no free will. Unless your free will is to submit, which is not logical on it's face to begin with. Genital mutilation for starters.

Maph come on. You're an infidel, a non believer and you should die for that alone. There other reasons they want you dead too but I won't get into that. Really, you of all people defending islam? Wake up please..