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Isn't It Wonderful?!

Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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I think that it's just thrilling that Pope Francis feels that the illegal aliens (excuse me...undocumented Democrats) are noble pilgrims embarking on a journey to a brave, new world, and that Bishops should encourage their priests and flocks to welcome them with open arms. His Holiness was a bit light on the details, however. I don't believe the he mentioned how many of them would be continuing on to Vaticanus and how their transportation was to be paid for. Further, he must have forgotten to detail exactly how the Papacy was going to take on the support for those who choose to remain here, paying for food, housing, healthcare, education, etc. In addition, how is the Holy See going to take on the responsibility for the further criminal escapades and mischief the a segment of these people will commit?

But I suppose that His Holiness and Our Holiness will have some secret meeting to work out the details.

~Sigh~

Isn't it just wonderful?
SOURCE URL: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/23/pope-francis-asks-us-bishops-welcome-immigrants-take-care-priests/72685614/


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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 6 months ago
    " But I suppose that His Holiness and Our Holiness will have some secret meeting to work out the details."

    Congress will unanimously pass a law approving in advance anything Obama wants to agree to while they all insist it's not a treaty. He is our own infallible pope.
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  • Posted by InfamousEric 8 years, 6 months ago
    I really don't care what the pope says.

    The last thing we need is a religious marxist, turning all the catholics into looters too
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    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
      It really doesn't matter what you or I think about the Pope. What matters is that a very great number of voters in this country do care, and that can have an enormously deleterious effect on our country.
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      • Posted by InfamousEric 8 years, 6 months ago
        So very true.

        People make life decisions based on their beliefs, whether grounded in truth or delusion.

        Unfortunately, many of these decisions affect more than themselves.

        But of course, people look at us with the same concerns.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
          To more than A quarter of the world, the Pope speaks with the voice of God. If this is what these people truly believe, I certainly have no objection; it's as valid (or invalid) as any other belief system. Catholics believe, for better or worse, that the Pope's preaching 'ex cathedra' (that is, in matters of Catholic dogma), he is infallable. Again, if that's what they choose to believe, so be it. Where I have a problem is when the Pope more or less says, "I was talking with God last night, and He said to tell the Americans to take in all of the muslims, Mexicans, Guatemalans, and whomever else in the world wants to go there, feed them give them houses, etc., and solve global warming while they're at it.". And that, my friends, is effectively what he's doing and trying to do it under the auspices of speaking in God's name. This will not end well for us.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 6 months ago
      As one of the moochers said, "I just want a piece of the American pie." What's going to happen when the pie is eaten up! Well, I think that we all know the answer to that....we'll all be equally miserable.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 6 months ago
    I remember Ayn Rand's article "Requiem for Man"
    (in "Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal".). It was about
    Pope Paul VI's encyclical "Popolorum Progressio".
    It looks like Pope Francis is continuing Pope Paul's
    campaign,(or whatever it should be called).
    I looks like we just have to fight, that's all,
    rationally explaining to people what's wrong with
    that attempt.
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 6 months ago
      do you ever think that while we are patiently explaining rationally these important concepts, ignoring in the meantime that we are losing battles-that means we have lost our freedoms, and that we should be getting mad? sigh. hey, I have a FB friend who is a killer artist, doing a series of of fine art called Liberty Belles. If you are interested, I'll send you a link to his recent work on the first, I believe, in the series. :)
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        Yes please.

        ....getting mad enough to do something instead of just saying it and I'm not going to take it any more. No more couch potatoes. Life is not a movie. Good call now three.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 6 months ago
    Some wise teachings from the Church of OhioCrossroads:

    You can fool some of the papal some of the time.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.
    Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit on the dock drinking beer all day.

    Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

    Advice to the young: Never sit on a wicker chair when naked.

    Now the Mystics of Mind are coordinating with the Mystics of Muscle. The collapse will come much quicker.

    Before you go out on strike, please assure that there is no way the gooberment can put their dirty hands on any of your wealth. And DON'T give it to the Catholic Church either!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      as many of you know I live on a boat. I've been asked that question including burial arrangements as late as yesterday.

      On boats we keep log books. I have two sets. So I always tell the MS which does not mean Miz but Main Squeeze go to set two and keep filling it out as normal then make sure the mail forwarding is paid and the credit cards paid all done by computer and automatically renewed and you have a way of getting the new cards. Have your mail drop forward them to whatever en route address is appropriate. That leaves taxes. Turbo tax is the answer. No signature required. Keep the log books showing crew of two. No need to renew a passport or drivers license.none of that. You aren't in country.

      Use ATM's and use it up every month with a bit left over. Make sure you send an email to the bank or whatever one of them is very good I'll recommend it at another time. as to your travel itinerary.

      Start putting money aside in different form.

      A word of caution. One day someone will show up and say Where's ......he's the oldest known living Vietnam Vet! " At that point whip out the second log book.

      He had a heart attack and died and I had to bury him at sea. Just last week! You missed him that close.

      Send off the email notificiations, pay the last bills and have fun on your new sailboat.

      Trust has a lot to do with it.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
    I think that Pope Francis is the most interesting and genuine pope to surface in a long time. It is a damn shame that he is a Socialist, but this should not come as a surprise: He has himself voluntarily chosen that as his personal lifestyle (and he does seem to mean it).

    I totally disagree with his philosophy, but I am aware that many people of the world actually believe in it and would chose it for themselves. I soooo do not understand this personally - but I do understand that any system of governance needs to take this human tendency into account: We live in a real world where people are socialist and/or religious and we cannot ignore it.

    I think Francis believes what he says, but I do not like or support his plan. I want the US gov to firmly keep illegal immigrants out of the US. I am quite willing to be open-handed about work visas and legal immigration policies but I want illegal immigrants gone.

    I and my ancestors, for a number of generations, have invested our efforts (and our taxes) in creating a physical infrastructure that makes our lives better. The only people who have a right to that infrastructure are the people who made it and their invited guests - legal immigrants and visitors.

    But there are lots of people who disagree with me and who think that what I have belongs to them by right. I can disagree with those people, but still understand that their views and philosophies are real - and if they behave with integrity, I may have a lot of respect for them.

    Jan, "may" is a big word
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    • Posted by $ winterwind 8 years, 6 months ago
      jlc, I'm kinda on the same path with you until you get to the people who disagree with you and think that there is no "yours", there is only "ours".

      This is a real question, no sarcasm intended.
      How can such people behave with integrity? I define integrity [actually, my brand-new OED defines it] as soundness of moral principle; the character of uncorrupted virtue, esp. in truth and fair dealing; uprightness, honesty, sincerity.

      How can someone who truly believes what I have produced, or obtained honestly, is actually his? That is certainly not fair dealing.
      How can someone who behaves with no concern for the consequences of his actions [remember the woman with the 10+ children?] believe that I should help support those children? I didn't beget them or bear them; what concern are they of mine? Is it virtuous to bring children into the world knowing that someone else must support them?

      I'd love to go on, but I truly don't get it either side of your statement. I see no integrity in them, and no reason for my respect - or yours.

      Your thoughts?
      ww
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
        Good questions, winterwind. Since you and I largely agree in our personal perspectives, it is also difficult for me to understand the socialist stance. When I try to understand something, I tend to try to put myself 'inside' of it...but I cannot really do this with socialists.

        Like many of us in the Gulch, though, I have spend most of my life being the 'one thing is not like the other' person in the room. I have come to realize that there are genuinely people whose intrinsic models of the universe are hugely different than mine.

        Some of these people have become my close friends - they are flaming liberals. Nonetheless, they are gracious, generous with their own possessions, supportive, honest, intelligent and imaginative. How can this happen? How can so many blasted nice geniuses believe that because they are willing to give money to support people who do not work that it is OK for them to take my money to do the same? I am evolving some theories, but don't feel that I have this problem captured yet.

        These people have my respect as individuals, because they have earned it over the course of decades.

        Jan, the observer
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        • Posted by $ winterwind 8 years, 5 months ago
          That is interesting. I remember what my first philosophy teacher - very straightforward, little Russian lady - said: there are no contradictions. If you think there is one, check your premises; you will find that one of them is wrong.
          So, you have 2 premises: that people with completely different views of the world from yours are "gracious...imaginative". Is this truly true? Are they indeed honest, for example? If you questioned them carefully and relentlessly, would they admit that yes, they do believe that it is a proper, moral, correct action to take from you, by force, to give to another. That person is not your friend.
          Another premise is that these people are your friends. "Friend" is a serious word which I don't award to anyone lightly. I know my friends will have my back in any and every situation which might occur, with no hesitation - and that I would do the same for them. Is this true for you and your friends?
          You might want to check these premises to assure yourself that they are true, that these people really are what you think they are. Try them with the hot-button issues of the day and consider their responses. I'll be interested to hear your results. Maybe they're secret Objectivists?
          I have a brother, and as long as we talk about what a nice day it is, or how good dinner is, you would think we are friendly. We are not. He is a communist of the most rabid, non-thinking kind, and he is in fact my deadly enemy. Because he really does not think, I doubt he has ever had that thought. But I have, and I have absolutely no doubts about in which direction he will run, in what type of emergency. This is no longer as painful as it once was.
          As I said, I'll be interested in what happens for you in this situation.
          ww
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 5 months ago
            Hmmm. There may not be any contradictions in nature, but there are contradictions in how humans perceive nature: wavicles, for instance, and much of quantum mechanics (is the cat alive or dead?).

            The people to whom I refer, I have know for over 30 years. (I know: How unCalifornian of me!) They not only talk-the-talk of being friends, they walk-the-walk.

            I too have relatives and other people I know who I cannot depend on to 'have my back', not because they do not have good will towards me - they do - but because their deeds make them untrustworthy. So I interact with them pleasantly, but do not rely on them.

            If I have more thoughts or observations on this, I will be glad to discuss them further with you.

            Jan
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 6 months ago
      It's interesting to note how man's mind (innovation) is ignored in all this redistribution talk. It would seem that, if man's mind has nothing to do with wealth creation, that anybody should be able to acquire wealth; just go out and pluck it off the tree where it grows. If one's labor is the driver, then there should be no shortage of anything, unless you're lazy. In either case, the redistributionists want you to give to the lazy or the incompetent, in the name of "humanity."
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        We gave them food banks
        But forgot to fill them
        Sent the food overseas
        For a couple of billion
        Now the kids are still starving
        If the stories are true
        But for sure the blame
        Will fall on you!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    It is a Wonder -- no doubt.
    Wonder who is going to house them?
    Wonder who is going to educate them?
    Wonder if they're criminals?
    Wonder who is gonna pay?
    The Pope chooses to sidestep all those wonders. Just do it! Never mind how or how much. It is the attitude of a child who wants what he wants when he wants it. Only with a polite soft-spoken voice. I think he might have to wait until They can have what we got when we get it.
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  • Posted by Rolf 8 years, 6 months ago
    The wonderfulness of all this began (I dare say) under Papa Bush and is now just continuing to escalate at an alarming rate. It is just too bad that more of us don't jump on this awesome turnip truck and embrace our fellow humans. Oh, how callus those of us with a mind can be. Salty, your comment was spot on!
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
    Francis lacks the courage of John Paul II. JPII knew the evil of totalitarianism, having been a captive of Communist Poland, and knew that deals with such entities would be a betrayal of all the church represents. Francis shares the same delusional philosophy of Obama in thinking that appeasement will make these regimes more willing to moderate.

    By endorsing the climate change mantra, Francis's actions will serve to keep the world's poor in place, waiting for manna to fall from the supposedly unending larder of the developed world, instead of developing their own infrastructure. By encouraging "refugees" seeking more affluence to overload the social systems of the developed world, he's inviting them to kill the goose that has laid the golden eggs that have kept them afloat.

    His cowardice is most evident by his at best subtle, oblique "coded" criticism of abortion. This undoubtedly is his effort to technically adhere to the church's unequivocal stance against abortion, while trying not to upset the "holiday" Catholics and Obama. If he had the courage of JPII, he would have blasted the government for its support of Planned Parenthood.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 6 months ago
    The day after the Bishop of Roma returns home the Zero's administration will be back to purging all religions from government and the military except for Islam.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
    He is a random person elected to head up one of the largest businesses in the world, whose product is some sort of undocumented and vague hope of eternal life in some vague place with angels and clouds. No one has ever been there and come back with pictures even. Religious leaders have no business in our government or even speaking in front of it. Must have killed Islamic Obama to have to meet the pope !
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  • Posted by starznbarz 8 years, 6 months ago
    The pope has a plane and a "nation" all his own, lead by example sir, take them to your house - at your expense. Then, when we see how well that works out, come and ask us again.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 6 months ago
    I am friends with Will Lynch, went to high school with him. Go ahead and google his name and see what comes up regarding the catholic church. That organization can go pound sand. I'm very proud of Will... And for the ladies - google Will's image.

    I get a very visceral reaction when I see the costumed one standing up there telling us what to do...
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
    I find it absolutely arrogant that the Church will flout anyone elses law that they don't want to follow, but anyone who does not want to follow their law is a heretic, evil, damned and excommunicated. Yet priests diddle little boys and we get "never happened", which morphs over 20 years to "oops, sorry". And they throw huge sums of not their money to pay off the victims. Then they claim the high holy ground as being the only people who can talk to God, and start charging for it again. Yuck...Religion is just an excuse for no self responsibility. Although the dumbocraps and liberals have taken lessons from them in the name calling and labeling methods.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 6 months ago
    he came here on p.o.p.e. airlines which fly's close to god and his favorite song is "oh how i hate to get up in the morning" by lazarus and the up risers.
    Ayn Rand said in 1980 when the pope was here the americans love celebrities.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
    From reading what the Holy Father has been publicly saying, it would seem that the primary task of the Catholic Chuch, which heretofore was spreading the good news of salvation, has become humanism. If this is the case (and as a matter of fact is no more valid or invalid than any other 'ism'), then the tax advantages that the Church has always enjoyed should in fact be removed. As with all other charities, there should be tax exemptions for their charitable works, but their books should be open for inspection by the relevant taxing authorities just as they are to the other many hundreds of humanist organizations.
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  • Posted by MarkHunter 8 years, 6 months ago
    From the article:
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    As Francis became more emphatic in pleading the cause of immigrants, bishops leaned forward and listened intently. ...

    “The Church in the United States knows like few others the hopes present in the hearts of these pilgrims,” he said. “From the beginning you have learned their languages, promoted their cause, made their contributions your own, defended their rights, helped them to prosper, and kept alive the flame of their faith. Even today, no American institution does more for immigrants than your Christian communities.”
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    It’s true. It used to be just the Catholic Church, now it’s all of them. The article continues:

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    He said accommodating immigrants isn’t always easy at first. “... I am certain that, as so often in the past, these people will enrich America and its church.”
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    Yes, it’s not always easy being enriched by some of today’s immigrants: http://ImmigrationsHumanCost.org/text...
    The point is not that all Third World immigrants are violent criminals. The point is that a much higher percentage of them are violent criminals compared with the percentage in Galt’s Gultch Online. As you increase the percentage of Third World immigrants, you increase the per capita violent crime rate.

    How about a debate between Pope Francis and Donald Trump. Since the Pope gives most of his U.S. talks in Spanish, Donald Trump could say to him Vamoose!
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