Volkswagen vs Kobayashi Maru - Galt's Gulch

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Volkswagen vs Kobayashi Maru

Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago to Business

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Posted by Lucky 10 years, 2 months ago

Caution: rude words, politically incorrect ideas.

Original thinking- No, that sort thing has been done before, eg a refrigerator manufacturer used an internal chip programmed to get top results in a consumer org test.
Pollution- has been 'quantified' as the same a taking a fart outside, so not very serious in a technical sense.
What they did- When test conditions were detected, adjust to run at lower emissions, higher fuel consumption and lower power.
Fraud or error? Almost certainly deliberate so fraud.
Size of penalty- Expect gianormous. Undercover trade protection policy at work.

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  Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago
  
  It was a marketing feature. Everybody got what they wanted when they wanted it.
  
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Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 2 months ago

They deserve a commendation for original thinking, and to pay for the costs of repiratory issues the emissions cause.

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  Posted by robgambrill 10 years, 2 months ago
  
  I am not saying I know that VW just screwed up, but don't cars have more of a problem with emissions when the engine is idling.
  
  I can so see the embedded systems guys only getting it half right.
  
  There is an old Heinlein quote that goes something like "Never ascribe evil intent to that which can be explained by simple human stupidity."
  
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    Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago
    
    Often called Heinlein's Razor
    "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."
    
    Politicians and bankers, on the other hand, should prove their stupidity beyond a shadow of a doubt. In reality, they just buy the judge.
    
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      Posted by robgambrill 10 years, 2 months ago
      
      So this guy walks into your office with a resume that reads ...:"developed emission control software for Volkswagen from 2009 - 2015".
      
      Do you toss the resume, or put it on top of the stack?
      
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        Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago
        
        Offer him a job as Science Officer with career path to starship captain.
        
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 2 months ago
    
    I agree. It's usually stupidity rather than machinations.
    
    I do electromagnetic emissions testing all the time, and I see how it can be unclear. Sometimes you have to write a program that exercises all the common use cases. It's a judgment call how much effort you put into doing things that might make your product fail emissions. Most EEs who do this type of thing have spent a day or two in a certified lab trying one mod after another trying to get their stuff to pass emissions.
    
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