IMAGINATION CHALLENGES AND SHAPES OUR WORLD

Posted by dreamersmith 5 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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When life is contained within established thoughts of “what is” and memories of “what has been,” can one ever realize his or her full potential – can he or she even identify “what could be but has not yet been considered?” I would prefer to live amongst those who imagine what has not yet been proven – has not yet been established – for they will accept nothing less than the great things they are destined to accomplish in this world.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 5 years, 8 months ago
    I have to go with Rand: I am. I think. I will.
    Even existentialists feel that existence precedes essence.
    I have a couple dreamers in the extended family, who always have big ideas when you meet them Unfortunately, they either have no idea how to implement them or are just lazy, because none of them ever come to fruition. Dreams are great, but hard work makes things happen. You better know some history, or you will reinvent the wheel. I too hate the phrase, "It has always been done this way" - just an excuse not to improve. But a lot of dreamers put Obama in office, without the slightest idea what this change was all about - if only they had read Alinsky.
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  • Posted by  $  mminnick 5 years, 8 months ago
    There is a Latin phrase "Cogito ergo Sum" [Rene Descartes] meaning “ I think therefore I am”.
    Everyone should keep this in mind. Today more than ever this is a key building block. the phrase is the same now as it was then. What is different is the full meaning. In this day we are what we think. It has really always been so. If you think of yourself as talentless, you will be. You will never discover the talents you do possess. Your “was” and your “will be” are the same. No growth, no change, stagnant.
    Take the view “I was, but I will become...” You are not sure what you will become, but you know you will not remain stagnant and unchanging. You will use your gifts, your mind and you body to move ahead. You will grow and develop. You will create.

    Put is simply, I agree with DreamerSmith +1
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    • Posted by TheBestWithinUs 5 years, 8 months ago
      I have a problem.

      Ayn Rand (via Galt) called the Cartesian Cogito a "costly error" and called for its replacement with " I am, therefore I'll think."

      That being said, she certainly knew the power of the potential. History shows what was, art shows what could and ought to be.
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      • Posted by  $  mminnick 5 years, 8 months ago
        Know the quote. It is true. That being said, it does not exclude the other. Both can be true or both can be false, you cannot have one true and the other false. Which lead to the other is like the chicken or the egg question. We will most likely never know.
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        • Posted by TheBestWithinUs 5 years, 8 months ago
          Question: do you accept the Objectivist principle of the primacy of existence?

          If you do (even if you don't) we can answer your question and we can say that one is true and the other false.

          Don't have time for a complete answer tonight. Will tune in tomorrow.
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  • Posted by darlenelofgren 5 years, 8 months ago
    Emerson said that a man is what he thinks all day long (paraphrasing here) - and though it's rarely pointed out, thoughts are magnetic. I utterly agree, dreamersmith, that thoughts shape our world.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago
    "If it can be imagined, it can be done." I don't know who said it, but it should be believed in both a negative and positive way. So much "unimaginable" things have happened in just my 80 year lifetime that I wish I could live to see the wonders of the future. I guess I'll just have to leave it to you guys.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 5 years, 8 months ago
      We have imagined time travel for quite a while. If that ever was possible, the clearly there must have already been time travelers that have visited us and our ancestors. None of that has ever been demonstrated. Thus the argument fails.
      Sorry to be a "Debbie downer."
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    • Posted by  $  mminnick 5 years, 8 months ago
      I've heard that saying since I was a little boy, more years ago than I care to remember. I accept it as true, because eventually "Mankind" will find a way to do anything it sets its mind to.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago
        Thank you.
        I am currently discussing with a physicist friend several new ideas about the speed of light, and ways to overcome its limitations. He (and others) seem to think that Einstein was only right in a limited way. What fun to think some of these ideas may come to fruition. New breakthroughs in the attempt to create fusion are also happening. To paraphrase Dickens, It's the worst of times, it's the best of times.
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        • Posted by Wonky 5 years, 8 months ago
          I like speed of light contemplation...

          Dreamersmith suggests that what is and what was may compel some of us to believe that what "will be" must conform (although he prefers non-pessimistic company with respect to the degree that this conformance is used to excuse mental stagnation). Ayn Rand would certainly have agreed that the observable reality of the future will continue to conform to valid generalizations made about observable reality of yesterday and of today, but to her, new conceptual layers were always feasible, so long as they integrate with, or refine, "valid" existing concepts.

          Electromagnetic radiation is observable (and therefore real) because it is perceived. Instruments would not have been devised to measure the attributes of that radiation had we not had perceptual, then conceptual, evidence of its existence. Why general relativity was ever interpreted so pessimistically still boggles my mind. Black holes demonstrate how obvious it is that the speed of light is exceeded in reality by nature of the fact that they can reflect no light. Beyond the event horizon, reflected light is dragged back into the black hole at a speed that is faster than the speed of light. The presumption that the distance between two objects cannot decrease faster than the speed of light is preposterous.

          Although there are potentially forces at play in the universe that are as yet un-perceivable, and therefore, theoretically un-measurable, one must ask the practical question: how much of my time is worth spending on that which has not been perceived? Although the length/time dilation/contraction observed from a single inertial reference frame is accurately predicted by general relativity, the observation is, and always has been, misinterpreted to mean that these things are "real" in an absolute way rather than in a relative way. Contemplation of time travel and wormhole space travel is probably the single biggest time sink that physicists and laymen alike can waste time on. Fiction writers, however, are quite wise to capitalize on the mysticism surrounding the implications of Einstein's equations.

          Electromagnetic waves are emitted continuously over time or we would not be able to observe red and blue shifts, therefore light particles or photons or quanta are best interpreted as nodes within wave interference patterns (the wave is the entity, the particle is the node effect). I think that once mainstream physicists ditch the mysticism of quarks and quanta as entities rather than effects and quit wasting time on the ridiculous implications of general relativity in a single inertial reference frame, it will be free again to move forward with the study of real entities.

          For the dreamer, here is something new and fun to consider. Two points are stationary relative to one another. One is the source of departure (A), the other the destination (B), for an object (C) that will travel at a speed close to that of light. Time for C will run slower than time for A, time for C will run faster than time for B, and yet time for A and B will run at the same rate. If time for A and B run at the same rate, how can time run both faster and slower for C? Reference frames offset perpendicular to the path between A and B at the intersection of A will see C's length dilate while reference frames offset perpendicular to the path between A and B at the intersection of B will C's length contract. How can C both dilate and contract simultaneously? Atomic clocks have "proven" that time dilation is a "real" phenomenon even though it is impossible. This points to something worthwhile to consider... What characteristics of the matter of C must change in order to provide a non-contradictory explanation of the phenomenon (for the only rational starting point is to assume that the matter of C has changed relative to everything else)? Could the fantasy of time dilation be flipped on its head to demonstrate the reality of proton/neutron compression or dilation in the plane perpendicular to the plane of acceleration? Could it be used to demonstrate what properties of atomic nuclei change in relation to the gravitational fields constraining them? In the end, the phenomenon of time dilation may still be a real "phenomenon", but it may no longer be interpreted to mean that time travel is possible, but rather that matter behaves differently based on it's position and orientation within and between various fields. Will this crush the dream of time travel, or further the dream of fundamental understanding of the nature of matter?
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        • Posted by gonzo309 5 years, 8 months ago
          Recent thought holds that the speed of light is decreasing. I don't know how this would affect your discussions. The observation is put forth by Barry Setterfield, a physicist in Australia (I think). Here is a link to a presentation on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdTlOVTD...
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          • Posted by Robbie53024 5 years, 8 months ago
            Would really blow a hole in that whole e=mc^2 thing!
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            • Posted by gonzo309 5 years, 8 months ago
              Yup, you're trying to hit a moving target! So much for scientific fact that everyone depended on. The world is no longer flat. 8-)
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              • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago
                It revolves around the time of the big bang. It is not possible that the dispersion of energy could have happened in the length of time that it actually did happen unless the energy was moving faster than light speed. They likened it to a maid trying to fill a hundred wine glasses after only ten minutes into the party.
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                • Posted by gonzo309 5 years, 8 months ago
                  That was the point of the lecture I referenced above. If the speed of light was many times faster in the past, the energy wouldn't have to pass the speed of light to fill the universe. If the speed available was expanded thousands of times, the maid would have thousands of times more moments available to fill the glasses. Watch the whole video and you'll see that the problem is what we say is constant, and what isn't. When our perspective changes, it opens up a whole new way of seeing things!
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                  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago
                    Aren't science advancements and theories exciting? Having been a SciFi nut from the 50's forward it is actually a thrill to see what was called fiction then become either reality or possible reality.
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  • Posted by  $  Terraformer_One 5 years, 8 months ago
    I have been a dreamer, to the rest of the world it appeared that I was a moocher.
    Now I am starting to take the actions necessary to bring the dream to life.
    It has been hard to start venturing away from the safety of my dreams - a place free from those who refuse to see what might be.
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