Check out the Pacific InterTie. It runs from The Dalles, Oregon to the constant power drain called Los Angeles. There is another one that feeds The City of Angels called the Intermountain that runs from a huge coal plant in Delta, Utah to LA. Those are the longest ones but there are a couple more small ones back east. One from Bruce Nuclear plant in Canada into Vermont. A couple run across South Dakota to Minnesota. Then there are several of what are called back-to-back converters that connect the 3 grids, with one connecting to Mexico from Texas. HVDC is promoted by a lot of European companies, like ABB, as a power solution.

relatives committing near-suicide? . hmmmmm;;; I hadn't
thought of that as an advantage. -- j
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Done a bit of investigation of intentionally inducing near death experience as possible and still come back. Intentionally too. Got as far as what is called Dhyana with but Samadhi and the areas where you don't come back and report yet to be had. Figure it is my meaning for living to explore what is living and can be had while alive. Seems a dead end to have wait until after dying. But a lot find comfort in putting off experiencing and exploring until after they die. Makes not a lick of sense to me but if it gives them cause to be self-reponsible, self-supporting, they pay their taxes, stay out of trouble and leave me alone more often than not, hell I can even tolerate relatives under those circumstances

we had so much electric power consumption there that
TVA made a distribution hub out of the control room.
huge synchronous motors operating in a hydrogen
atmosphere to correct power factor, and contactors
which sounded like explosions when they closed.
it was 110 degrees near the ceiling in the 32 acre k33 building
where I hung out a lot. . it was like science fiction come to life. -- j
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quanta are beautiful;;; love the one you're with!!! -- j
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lively, yes, but alive? . a creative bit of protoplasm with a
great sense of humor -- makes a sterile drone look like
a loooooooow life form. . we are just persons stuck in bodies
which are temporary . . . . kinda makes you think of a soul,
doesn't it? . . I can't remember anything before I was 3 years old.
wonder if I will still remember That, next year!!! -- j
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Resonant circuits are an analogy to what an exciton charged by a photon is dealing with time wise to get that energy/charge to the reaction center before decohering. See? I used a quantum word like I know what I'm talking about. Don't be fooled!!!!

Haha. Close to what daughter's bio book said, but about that drone ant or bee that is sterile, also like me after the vasectomy. Alive?

Now that be a big 'un. The 500 horsepower long wall ventilation fan across the line start with no gearing swinging, oh shit, I'm saying around ten tons of squirrel cage fan took a good 20 seconds to come up to speed. I could hear that transformer and motor mounts doing some powerful vibrating what with all the torque. The coal company, Monterey and Exxon affiliate, was forced to use a different company to start the fan, and what with the crazy power factor charge, the engineers figured that a VFD would pay for itself. Not supposed to even be a shutdown of those fans but in storms and drunks running into poles in the countryside shutdowns were inevitable.

Tennesee? Axial flow compressors? Diffusion cascade? Lot of HP for a uranium purification system but then I'm just guessing at your meaning and use of "axial flow compressors." Interested though. I knew that Iran had about 19,000 centrifuges with only 9,000 running a year ago while Belgium had 300,000.

as you know, resonant circuits are used in radio, but they
are not alive. . yet they will sure animate you if you touch
the top of a vacuum tube!

life is a characteristic attributed to "things" which are
self-contained and self-maintained collections of elements
and compounds which are usually capable of reproduction.
the funnest kinds of life are self-aware. . like you!!! -- j
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WoW! . I didn't know that this was being done, but it sure makes
great sense. . we put dimmer switches all over this house
when we built it, for that and for friendly low-light reasons.
it seems that the majority of the light bulbs which we
are replacing, ten years out, are the ones which have
no dimmer.

where on earth do you have such high-power motors?
I worked at K-25, a manhattan project plant here in TN,
which had 3,000 horsepower motors turning huge
axial-flow compressors in the "diffusion cascade,"
but big motors are relatively rare, aren't they? -- j
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Hahahahaha. Off topic, but I'm trying to get a way to explain what life is. We don't test for life on Mars, but signs that it's been there. The definition is explored in a book I'm about two hours from finishing. Life on the Edge: The Coming of Age of Quantum Biology has taken me furthest in the activites of quantum tunneling most prevalent in what we call living organisms. Or rather it and other quantum effects is in the process of being used to explain, smell, photosynthesis, cell metabolism and such. I'm finding it difficult to find an analogy in human sized world to compare to, but electronic circuit resonance is pretty close. How a value of inductor and capacitor can conduct electrical energy if they are sized right and the DC circuit is switched on and off at a "resonant" frequency determine by the RLC equation.

At our place I was quite familiar for it being underground with a VFD shaker motor on a belt feeder with a load cell PID feedback controller. 600 volt 3 phase AC rectified to DC then chopped up and manipulated electronically back to 600 volt 3 phase AC. Why? Because then you could use feedback controls or manual controls to adjust the frequency of the Alternating Current. The motor chases the frequency. Same as does your hair dryer at home just that 60 hertz or cycles per second is what is being chased. Problem in starting big motors on heavy loads or changing motor speed are solved by varying the frequency. Had a 300 hp ventilation squirrel cage fan that started across the line. Power company bitched a lot about that and it was harder on equipment, especially geared stuff than what comes of a soft start type of control. Vary the frequency and the load can be eased in over a longer period of time with lower instantaneous breaker trip settings and lots of other advantages. Nuff?

a good definition of phlogiston might help. -- j

p.s. oops -- found this::: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictio...
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I just looked for toshiba variable freq drives, and found this:::

http://toshibavfd.com/shop/toshiba-vt...

do these things make 3-phase power from DC?
what exactly do they do??? -- j

p.s. and how in the world would a thyristor handling
such monster current keep cool???
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while those are words quoted from the EPA, it does seem
that VW did some very clever software design which will
have to be reversed. . might make the cars' performance
less attractive. . value drops. . ouch. -- j
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Figure if we had a bit more than the "descriptive" formula of gravity itself that there'd be more hope for anti-grav stuff. That "theory of gravity" isn't really an explanation of falling but more of the rules of falling. Sure Uncle Al, brought some better accuracy to Mercury's observed orbit, but as to using the general relativity model in space probes, I suspect that only the Mercury probe, Messenger really needed it. Now that it's out of fuel and mashed the planet, what next for actual General Relativity need?

Notable for me is how just a little more accuracy in predicting orbits took a radical change in thinking. What new thinking is in the works next with physics?

Thorium, let's put some engineers to work and design a test reactor and get with the program. YES!!!

I read they've confessed. The onboard computer, when indicating vehicle testing by the EPA or state emissions testing station, would kick in the emission controls but kick them out when driving normally. Here ye be: “In September, after EPA and CARB demanded an explanation for the identified emission problems, Volkswagen admitted that the cars contained defeat devices,” the agency said. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150...

I wondered at those thyristors ability to bring back the DC to three phase AC, varying the frequency to start and run a 600 hp ventilation fan motor. I didn't have much to do with that installation but our electrical engineer and electrical specialist were shaking their heads at the critical timing involved and the shorting potential if the timing was amiss.

I hope that whoever is hacking sytems doesn't move beyond cutting fiber optics and get into the control stuff though I'm thinking that feature in the Toshiba VFD controllers are "hard" programmed to duty cycle sensors and with sufficient fail-safe to forestall foreign or any terrorist intent on large scale compromising of our energy grid.

I hope the sun CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) is cooperative as well, as if it can be persuaded, eh?

VW has confessed? . looked like the EPA has blamed
them and they have yet to respond. -- j
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yes; I am an engineer and a ham and have a clue here, but
the calculation must be something like a conversion between
electron-volts and horsepower-hours ... let's see ... the conversion
is 1 hp-hour = 1.675531e+25 eV, so all we have to have
is That Many electrons exiting the end of the wire to get
a hp-hour at one volt. . at 13.8 volts, it's 23.1196e+25
for a horsepower-hour. . I understand now;;; Thanks!!! -- j

p.s. . . . on reading the clean line energy site info some more,
this smells like switched square-wave energy transfer instead
of DC. . yet they are using thyristors to handle +/- 500kV at a
power of 3100 mW ... That's a Big Pair of Switches!!!
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we only have four people here, usually, but we could
keep vigil over the thing -- a baby submarine box, maybe
burning thorium? -- j
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Astounding news today is that VW has confessed that a virtual(?) device was installed to give false NOx readings contrary to the regulations that allow the sale of those near half million vehicles, including diesel Audis. http://jalopnik.com/epa-orders-volksw...

In the coal mine diesel emissions testing was done on all diesel machinery once a week. NOx in excess of (now I'm not gonna be exact since I've not done it in near ten years now) 3 ppm (parts per million) and the machine was down. I could work in a CO presence under 50 ppm. NOx was NO plus NO2 which is respectively Nitric Oxide (what Viagra is all about) and nitrogen dioxide. NO was molecule of the year, nominated for by SCIENCE magazine in 1992. Fascinating functionality in the human body. The body is exceedingly sensitive to it and uses NO for multiple purposes besides erections. http://www.chem.yorku.ca/hall_of_fame...

Roughly 6.241×1018 times the elementary charge) per second is an ampere. The electrons of a wire are moving in a random scattered "chaotic" manner. Introduce a potential difference on the two ends of the wire and though the chaotic manner still is going onkl there is still a slow totality of charge moving thru the wire from and to the generators of that potential difference from the source. The energy is transmitted at percentage of light speed velocities thru the wire or medium depending on the nature of that medium. The electrons themselves do not move at the speed of the energy. The electron that leaves the source that gives the potential to do work itself will take about 4 hours in such a DC circuit as a car.

The notable difference between DC and AC is that with AC there is but a short movement in one direction for a sixtieth of a second and then a reversal for another sixtieth of a second. A well designed AC circuit which balances resistive and inducted loads sees no electron flow, only energy flow.

Mind blowing electrical semantics on trial at this site: http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html