EMP not needed if you take out 9 grid stations?

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 9 months ago to News
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are they practicing to take down our grid? . are we ready
to lose our electricity and internet for awhile?? -- j
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    so I bet that you can really keep in touch by radio while
    you're out of port -- just use the water as a ground plane
    and pump out a few watts!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Intermediate speed radio operator was my third job after shooting rifles and knowing how to crimp caps with my teeth. Not.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and if you can figure out how anti-gravity works, the SF
    could go viral fast -- you'd be king of the planet!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We used to see that where I grew up then lived for a while knowing the area occasionally got snow storms with outages of 3-5 days the amount of people unprepared was mind boggling. Meanwhile we just chunked wood in the wood stove, cooked on the top of it and continued with christmas or whatever.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder how we humans have found that it takes 4 hours
    to make the circuit. . do we measure electron speed in
    changing from one nucleus to another when zapped by
    a field? . I wonder....... -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I use that same thing in my writings as Science Fiction. Two neat things about SF if you can't explain it don't but it's better if you have some grasp of the subject. Second real science has a way of outstripping SF and these days today's fantasy is tomorrows ho hum. But it did get me interested in the true sciences again and that is a big adventure.

    Back to real life my old unit used to conduct what are called 'target tours' going from installation to installation bridges, dams, generators, and more. We studied them structurally and looked for weak points to exploit . One of the rules was percent of damage and how could you damage something without really harming it to cause a delay in it's use. An example a bridge left standing but the approach and access ramps put out of action. That's the first step a demonstrated ability and demonstrated will to use the ability. The second step is double down by announcing or leaving information lying around about some follow up. 9/11 followed by anthrax followed by the suggested use of crop dusters worked rather well. Follow that by suggested use of mmmmm what's current? Use of immigrants especially from areas like Syria .....The original event has not been repeated but we're still reacting to it. Even to the point although it didn't stop the home grown variety from taking office. Yet. Follow up events are more psychological than mechanical. Both are effective. Economic warfare is perhaps the worst. The events of 2008 the genesis for that cycle.
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  • Posted by minorwork 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Believe me. I had to look twice too. I did know of the skin effect from being a HAM but had not realized that in the lower frequencies of 60 hz and such that it was still there. The effect is sufficiently workable to use smaller transmission lines with DC since the whole cross sectional area is conducting electrical energy.

    That be the kicker, electrical energy. Whether DC's slow "big river" of electrons moving slowly down the line, or AC's shaking electrons the energy is produced at the load end by movement of electrons whether thru shaking or a direct movement.

    Trick question posed is how long do electron take after leaving a car battery's post take to get back to the opposite post when starting the car's engine? About 4 hours. That's the BIG slow moving river effect that has a lot of power in that slow movement of many charges.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    this is fascinating! . for me, corresponding with a guitar
    "pedal" company in New Zealand at the speed of light
    is just wild -- and from keyboard to monitor, not using
    a series of dots and dashes!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To all of the above. The most efficient and safest way of transporting energy is in the form of electricity but don't touch. The exception is power users needing diesel. Gasoline I could do without and I'd like to see LPG replaced with CNG again for safety reasons. It's the one weak link on my boat.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cables are laid by drilling sideways or horizontally 20 to 50 feet down and usually following a city street or highway. In the country they often use big ditchers, lay the cable then cover them over. the main 'hole' is 10 to 12" wide. One fitting that replaces the directional drill head (allows it to shift it's path left right up down) is a harness for towing back the tubing that will eventually house the fibers. As I recall it was eight with seven packed around a center tube.Space withing the tube or on the fibers is leased or rented out by the owner SPRINT does a lot of that if not most along with cell and cable companies. The center tube however carries the goverrnment circuits. As one of the tech guys says your conversation or surfing habits are only 4" away. the number of fibers in each tube is thousands and each carries frequency controlled multiple conversations. they don't enlarge carryingcapacity by drilling more holes but with electronic boxes that can ...in layman's term, shove more in the same space (the width of the fiber.) so the original hole didn't have to be that big.

    Where they are vulnerable is crossing slung underneath high bridges the rest is deep underground.

    Anyway NSA and whom ever is no more than 4" away. What they have to capture and sort out the various means of communication is beyond my pay grade. I got off when code keys were still standard (little devices to allow you to tap out dots and dashes.) I just though code key has an entirely new meaning in only thirty years.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    amazing! . I thought that Tesla won that battle a century-plus ago;;;
    Thank You for the link!!! -- j
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  • Posted by minorwork 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The NSA is not near as devastating to personal lives as social media shaming. I've made a few bucks off the NSA funding IARPA grants of which I got a pittance as part of a geo-political forecasting group. Said I was a superforecaster and have been invited back by the outfit getting the now exhausted funds. Wonder what the pay will be, if any this year since the outfit has gone private? RUBICON was a one year series about geo-political forecasting which AMC network replaced with the Walking Dead. I've never forgiven them and have watch
    ed ZERO episodes of Walking Dead.
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  • Posted by minorwork 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I came close to having my property see more income from Grain Belt Express. Didn't pan out, they chose a different route.

    Yes, This is High Voltage Direct Current that uses the whole area of the transmission line not just the outside as in High Voltage AC. http://www.cleanlineenergy.com/
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank You for your write-up;;; we need to learn from the
    Metcalf substation attack, and the tracking point system is
    way beyond intriguing!!! -- j
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "the use of DC high power lines" -- could you add to this comment,
    please? . are we really transferring power long distances
    with DC, like Edison tried to do? -- j
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    as for me, I would like to have a tiny nuke in the basement,
    and disconnect from the grid completely. -- j
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 9 months ago
    Easy enough to do these days with the way things have been arranged.
    I just changed generation companies...the new one is in Texas...I live in connecticut.
    All power should be generated Locally with the option of a shared grid in cases of infrastructure failures. I guess that makes way too much sense otherwise...that's the way it would be.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have a home brew 72 hour kit. It fits in one small backpack. Any time I drive farther than a comfortable walk home the kit goes in the trunk of the car. I'm also a HAM and have used my equipment and training during several emergencies where cell phone just didn't work. Most people think that a credit card and a cell phone will get you through any emergency. This is not the case, I know, I've been there.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh...that was a Really Long reply. Was all that necessary?

    Jan, somewhat puzzled
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 9 months ago
    I have to say that I would prefer to make my own electricity and not be dependent on the establishment to provide it to me.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    Waaay too many things to worry about. I,m going to take a nap.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 9 months ago
    There have always been two schools of thought regarding a national power grid: a nation-wide fully linked system that would enable the flow of energy most efficiently and help avoid regional blackouts; a distributed network of power cells normally in isolation, but able to quickly link to aid in providing power to other cells in an emergency. The first is more possible today due to the use of DC high power lines that avoid having to synchronize AC flow over an entire country, but it does open the door to viral invasions that could cripple the entire country in a single attack. The second is more secure, creating "air gap" security limiting attack damage to a single region. There are workarounds that make a synchronized attack on many power grid stations very difficult, and would limit the down time to a few days.
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