Purchasing Atlantis from a debt-ridden country, but with autonomy built into the purchasing agreement?
Many of us, led by db and Kh, have been debating the subject of immigration. I would love to see America get back to her pre-1913 roots, but for numerous reasons, I think that such effort is a waste of time and resources.
Freedomforall, in response to my suggestion that America sell its "government land" to pay down at least part of its debt, asked if such a sale could include the right to secede.
That prompted me to consider the possibility of buying land from debt-ridden countries (some of which are experiencing hyperinflation) at rockbottom prices, with autonomy being required as a condition of purchase. As debt piles up all around the world, there will be some opportunities along these lines for vultures like myself to come scavenge the debris. Perhaps an island off the Venezuelan coast with some nearby oil? In our previous discussions about a physical Gulch, our premise had been to buy land that the nearby government would largely ignore based on its track record of freedom (or lack thereof). That may be the wrong premise to work from. Why should we not provide a value for value trade in their time of desperation? The question then is how long do we wait. The price for the land in such desperate countries should continue to go down, but the conditions in our own countries might get bad enough that we could get trapped by 10-289.
The United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Thailand are working toward the development of micronations off their coasts. Interestingly, Google is developing the first such island. The linked article describes some of the first work along these lines.
Freedomforall, in response to my suggestion that America sell its "government land" to pay down at least part of its debt, asked if such a sale could include the right to secede.
That prompted me to consider the possibility of buying land from debt-ridden countries (some of which are experiencing hyperinflation) at rockbottom prices, with autonomy being required as a condition of purchase. As debt piles up all around the world, there will be some opportunities along these lines for vultures like myself to come scavenge the debris. Perhaps an island off the Venezuelan coast with some nearby oil? In our previous discussions about a physical Gulch, our premise had been to buy land that the nearby government would largely ignore based on its track record of freedom (or lack thereof). That may be the wrong premise to work from. Why should we not provide a value for value trade in their time of desperation? The question then is how long do we wait. The price for the land in such desperate countries should continue to go down, but the conditions in our own countries might get bad enough that we could get trapped by 10-289.
The United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Thailand are working toward the development of micronations off their coasts. Interestingly, Google is developing the first such island. The linked article describes some of the first work along these lines.
Your point is a correct one.
That leaves starting something in plain sight that would be NOT considered a threat to other countries until it was large enough to effectively defend itself. In the age of smart bombs and drones, I think it would be very difficult to actually defend a freedom loving country. Therefore, I think that the idea of a gulch prior to the absolute collapse of the statist countries is not practical.
Better to hide in plain sight preparing for the time one can "return" to the rebuilding when other ountries dont have the resources to attack a new startup.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/d98u3jr47Fc/max...
In Shadows Live Under Seashells I had a man-made island called Teminus. Essentially it was a series of mountains with a wide valley at its center. In the book it was used for leisure and a departure point for one of Earths space elevators. In this way Atlantis could reside in international waters beside any coastal city in the world and trade for needed resources.
I'm thinking renting or leasing might work to get around the above. Using San Andreas (Columbia) off the coast of Costa Rica even with 200 days of rain per annum. Population I seem to recall about 85,000.
Location is indeed important. The main reason is geographics above water and below coupled to weather. What do you find in non or low hurricane areas? People.
The answer is still a combination of skills. Hide In The Open in such away as contributing the least amount possible to Washington DC in a low taxing area from the other country then fill in the blanks. Subsistence farming is not one of the correct choices in most areas. no power no sewer, no malls. It's not as easy as people think. Very few Jedadiah Smith's and Jim Bridgers left.
However if you think of the Gulch as a State of Mind it's easily done. If you prepare in advance.
Let's check something. A reason to move south of the border 'as a repeat tourist visa or free zone dweller might be raising the standard of living by living in an area with a favorable exchange rate and in an area of the new country with a low crime rate. Contrary to Hollywood and the former mainstream propagandists that starts about 50 to a hundred miles south of the USA/USM border.
Assume as I don't no significant changes. What is my first assumption. Taxes in the US will go up after the next election The question is how much.
Just one example. they also may curtail the movement of money across the border. happened many many times before. Plan on what to do in case of some similar eventuality.
Why all of this?
So you won't starve or get sick and die. That applies to any place in the USA come to think of it.
When I was a kid one could plan for and move to Canada and pick up some small plot of land. Same in Australia. A few iyears ago a popular books was live in Mexico for $500 a month.
None of that is true anymore.
As for working in other countries? Yes but most has to be under the table or because you married a local.
Which brings me to my senses but still leaves me living your dream.
But in an objective AND practical sense I'm thinking of changing the name of my hailing port to Galt's Gulch. or better yet Bight, ME. the only state I've never visited.
Which leaves us with the Mama Gump Theory.
Stupid is as stupid does.
It does always seem to come back to that and then like Hammus Alabamus to Ecstasy Sauce distill down to those who do and those who only talk. Which is not directed at any one but rather a general evaluation comment.
Jan
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