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Jailed Clerk Kim Davis Just Presented A 'Remedy' That Could Fix The Situation For Everyone

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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Judge Bunning in ordering the imprisonment of Davis stated that: “The court cannot condone the willful disobedience of its lawfully issued order.” He further explained that the clerk’s good-faith belief is “simply not a viable defense,” dismissing her appeal to God’s moral law and freedom of conscience. “The idea of natural law superseding this court’s authority would be a dangerous precedent indeed,” he said.  
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 8 years, 7 months ago
    The best solution is to get government out of marriage entirely and eliminate all tax-favored status, credits, etc...

    That being said, if I were the Rowan County Clerk, I would tell the court she is ready to comply with the court's demands. After getting out of jail, create a sign at the county clerk's office, saying that the court's new definition of marriage is now in force and the following relationships will now receive "licenses" at the office:

    1) Man/woman
    2) Man/man
    3) Woman/woman
    4) 1 Woman / 2 or more men
    5) 1 Man / 2 or more women
    6) 2 or more men / 2 or more women
    7) Man/cousin
    8) Woman/cousin
    9) Man/mother
    10) Woman/father
    11) Man/granny
    12) Woman/grandpa
    13) Man/sister
    14) Man/computer
    15) Woman/smartphone
    16) Man/game console
    17) Woman/horse
    18) Woman/dog
    19) Man/dog
    20) Man/goat
    21) Woman/cat

    Per the court's new, wider definition of marriage, the only requirements for a marriage license in Rowan County are:

    1) At least 1 adult human 18 years old or older
    2) At least 1 legal resident of Rowan County
    3) Non-humans can be of any age
    4) All humans must express their love for each other
    5) Non-humans are not required to express love
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    • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 7 months ago
      Animals and minors cannot enter into contracts. Stop being obtuse.
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      • Posted by robertmbeard 8 years, 7 months ago
        I did not include minors above. My humorous post is intended to highlight that Pandora's Box has been opened. If you want to use the logic used by those advocating expanded definitions of marriage, there is almost no limit. Otherwise, by their logic, you are discriminating against "love." Again, I'm not encouraging any of the things in the list, my first sentence is primary...
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        • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 7 months ago
          "Pandora's box" is a bit extreme of an analogy. So changing the government's criteria for which unions it recognizes as "marriage" is the equivalent of the curiosity and naivete of a single woman who unleashed all of the evil upon the world?
          I understand that this is likely not the literal intent behind your analogy, but please keep in mind that words have meaning, and we should choose our words with more care.
          Your post also equates homosexuality with bestiality. You also appear to subscribe to the false idea that the only thing stopping people from having sex with their relatives, pets, and livestock was the rigid definition of marriage held up by our moral crusaders in congress. Do you really think this will become a rampant problem?

          And honestly, what would be the issue with close relatives getting "married?" An elderly sister and brother who are taking care of each other and living together could get "married" to make paperwork easier if one of them passes, etc. What horrible things will happen if that becomes legal? I think all the hang wringing over this change is blown out of proportion and simply reactionary.
          And finally, yes I agree that government should get out of marriage entirely, and that is why this decision is a good thing. It is one step closer. It is one fewer type of union that government is blocking from being "married," so that means it is one small amount freer. It rarely happens anymore that we become more free with government decisions, so let's celebrate the small victories while we can... Rather than deride them as the beginning of the end of civilized society.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 7 months ago
      You did not include trees! But - joking aside - I literally agree with your list, and more. The gov has no business being involved with marriages. They should all be civil contracts; you should tell the gov what you have done and not have to ask permission to do it; if you want to be religiously married, go to your local druid.

      I especially like the smartphone relationship - know a couple of people who are married to theirs!

      Jan
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    • Posted by robertmbeard 8 years, 7 months ago
      On a related note, I honestly don't understand why so many men and women still want to get married. Marriage in modern America is completely broken. Over half of all marriages end in divorce. Most of the rest are miserable failures of long-term torment and suffering.

      By my estimation, 95% of marriages are long-term failures. Only about 5% are any good. Marriage is the riskiest choice a person can make in life; nowadays, it usually turns out very badly...
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
      Robertmbeard, no Court ruling establishing any of the above as constitutionally mandated. In the absence of such a ruling the relevant Kentucky laws on lawful marriages apply and your new "rules" are not consistent with Kentucky law. You are free to lobby the state legislature to change the law.
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      • Posted by robertmbeard 8 years, 7 months ago
        I have no intention of lobbying the state of Kentucky over their laws. My humorous post simply highlights that there are other, more creative ways to peacefully protest judges that are over-stepping their jurisdictions. I think humor has a way of helping minimize unnecessary anger in these situations... It also might get some of them to think about the ramifications of the new logic they are using... Hope springs eternal...
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
          Sorry to be so humorless. Actually the argument that recognizing that denial of gay marriage was a constitutional violation might logically lead to other absurd results was made to the Supremes (and every other court which decided the issue). This is known in the law as a "slippery slope" argument. It was rejected. Raising this argument, even in a humorous manner, sometimes has the opposite of the intended effect. Note Johnconnor's response above.
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          • Posted by robertmbeard 8 years, 7 months ago
            Yes, humor and sarcasm don't always translate well over text postings. That sometimes annoys people's emotions...

            Of all the "slippery slope" arguments, the case against polygamy is, by far, the weakest. How can we deny love among more than 2 adults?

            Again, my answer is that it's none of the government's business what happens in the bedroom, bathroom, or weedroom. There should be no "licenses" or tax-favored treatment to anyone here. Contracts can be entered into and later disputes resolved by the courts, but that's really where it should end.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
              Something I posted in detail some months ago added polygamy to the list. Especially in a society with a fifty percent plus failure rate under the accepted system. Counting the failed but not officially terminated over sixty is probably more like it. Now let's use a real life example. Mr. Al Rahbi (made up) immigrates to the US with his six wives all legal where the marriages occur and enters through Massachusetts. They are in the citizenship program legally. Six years later they go before a federal judge showing drivers licenses (with burkas).

              a. The federal judge swears them in as citizens then

              a. puts the state drivers license clerk in jail.

              b. But honors the request of the new citizens.

              I had to tone this one down on account of laughter.

              Looking at the whole situation objectively why wouldn't polygamy be legal at that point in all 50 states?

              For the answer - wait a bit ACLU will be on it in a NY minute.
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