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Judge eager to re-enter NSA surveillance fight

Posted by sdesapio 8 years, 8 months ago to Government
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From the article: "Warning that the constitutional rights of tens of millions of Americans are being violated, a federal judge said Wednesday that he's eager to expedite a lawsuit seeking to shut down the National Security Agency's controversial program to collect data on large volumes of U.S. telephone calls."


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The situation with judges reminds me of a line from Babylon 5 by G'kar: "No one here is exactly what he appears."
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And if he wasn't eager that would be proof he was intimidated. Hmmm. I understand where you are coming from now.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He certainly didn't have any Bill of Rights holding him back. What the Gestapo lacked was the technology to do the kind of surveillance they could today.

    The question then is how large the Nazi state could have made its security agencies without running into the law of diminishing returns (because some of those recruited would turn out to be, or become, double agents). Certainly, East Germany's Stasi was much larger (per capita), and it had a huge problem with double agents.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    How many 'Judges' have to do this before it gets done? Any Judge can rule anyway he wants but still nobody listens and the beat goes on unencumbered
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    Looking at the bigger picture for a moment; How in the world did the NSA garner such power in the first place? I think that those in the NSA as well as every bureau, no longer understand in the least what freedom is and what it means. If this is the case and I suspect it is, there is no hope for justice in the USA in the long run.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't have any examples of a judge being in fear of retribution, but if it happened, you wouldn't hear about it either.

    When I see a judge eager to take on a case, that is a problem. Judges are supposed to be impartial arbiters.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Judge Leon certainly doesn't think that. And he's the guy the article is about! As for the NSA, please cite one instance of a federal judge saying he or she is afraid of retribution from the NSA.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The world of Floyd Ferrises uses NSA-obtained data to try to make everyone acquiesce.

    The important thing about judges not being able to read is that they think that the Patriot Act supercedes the Constitution.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He didn't have to but if he didn't the Court of Appeals could and probably would have done so. He obviously wants the mandate to issue pronto so he can strike down the law again before it expires. Sure doesn't sound like a judge who is afraid to me. And what is it exactly that the NSA could do to him?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The NSA could make the judge's life very complicated. With regard to Judge Leon in particular, he didn't have to put a stop on his own injunction so that the government could appeal... or maybe he did.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure I understand these comments. Judge Leon seems able to read and is certainly independent. And does anyone think he is afraid of the NSA because of some "power" they have over him?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    Another thought. I doubt this country would have ever split from Britain's control and started as the USA if Britain had the powers the NSA has now. Would there have been ANY Jews left if HIlter had the NSA powers then?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    My thought is that the real purpose of the NSA is to protect the government from its own citizens. Obviously it didnt stop 911 or countless cyber crimes, in spite of its great powers. Thank god for Snowden exposing what they are up to.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
    If ever there was a case to bring back the Constitution and shut down the Patriot Act this is it.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have long heard the expression "the independence of the judiciary". They aren't independent anymore. Nice observation, k.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    It is amazing the number of federal judges that are incapable of reading.
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