Utah bill would ban transgender restroom use in schools
Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 3 months ago to Legislation
Well now, seems like this particular issue is becoming more and more frequent. If I had known this was going to happen, I would have held off on posting the other topic... >_>
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We as a society seem to have decided that sexual criminals are exempt from the idea that once you have paid your debt to society you are free again by requiring registrations, restrictions, and public humiliation for life. At the same time we are blurring the gender lines in young children with thought only for their emotions and none for what issues this may cause later in life.
That said the way they are making this decision using fetal whatever is strange. A child truly born anatomically transgender is a different matter altogether. I will put this simply. If you have boy parts you use the boy’s room. If you have girl parts you use the girl’s room. Accommodations for physically transgender children are not at all excessive. We should allow the proper accommodations for what is in essence a birth defect.
I have a cousin who's transgender, and she told me that prior to her surgery, even when she was changing in a locker room at a public pool, she was terrified of anyone else noticing her genitalia, and so she would always try to change in a stall if she could. This belief that transgender people want to expose themselves to anyone is just misguided and uninformed.
And why are you bringing sexual criminals into this? What does that have to do with this subject at all?
This isn't a matter of trying to blur the gender lines, it's an advancement in scientific knowledge which is making us realize that the line was never very clear to begin with.
Also, in regards to high school and elementary students, it's very often the case that their peers won't even be aware of the fact that one of their classmates is transgender. So by requiring that transgender students use the facilities corresponding to their birth sex, you're essentially imposing a mandate which requires them to out themselves to the rest of their classmates, which could likely create a situation where there is a very real possibility of the transgender student becoming a target for harassment, bullying, and violence.
Also, keep in mind that sex changes don't just go one way. The media tends to focus on the boys who become girls (male-to-female transsexuals, or MTFs), but the fact is that there are probably just as many girls who become boys (otherwise known as female-to-male transsexuals, or FTMs), though they tend to get ignored by people who oppose trans* rights.
The image of a grown man in a dress is a favorite propaganda tool of transphobic hate groups, but it is far removed from the truth. If you want an accurate image of what this is really about, ABC ran a story a few months ago about two transgender teenagers, Arin Andrews and Katie Hill, who fell in love after they each changed genders.
You can watch a video about their story here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNCJ6Vf7q...
I apologize if I'm coming off as little confrontational here. You don't sound like you're being deliberately malevolent, but you do appear to have a significant number of misconceptions about this issue. Anyway, I hope I've been informative.
I do not bring criminals into it to insinuate that transgender people are criminal; rather we should not be messing with things like gender reassignment while the person is a minor. It may very well create additional issues with negative effects in the future.
What I mean is that a person should be required to use the restroom and changing facilities corresponding to their current anatomical gender. A person who is physically a boy should not be in the girl’s room.
And gender transition is actually best done before puberty has a chance to irreversibly alter a person's body. Those who transition before puberty blend in to their target genders perfectly, while those who transition afterwards often have a much harder time of it.
This isn't just a matter of hurting someone's feelings, it's a matter of ensuring that transgender students aren't forced to out themselves or be put into a situation where they can be made targets of bullying and harassment.
Here's an excerpt from a recent article about California's law:
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"I can assure families that a law like this solves problems. It doesn't create them," Chiasson told Equality Matters. She cited a transgender male (FTM) student who long believed he had to use the girls' restroom. That situation, Chiasson said, caused far more stress and discomfort than when he began using the boys' facilities.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/31/...
Here's that video again. Skip ahead to 4:40 in the timeline for a description of what it's like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNCJ6Vf7q...
And the actual surgery typically isn't ever done before the age of 18 (with a few rare exceptions, such as Kim Petras, who had hers done at 16), though puberty blockers can be started at age 12, with actual hormone replacement therapy a year or two after that.
I have been looking into this transgender for kids thing and you have an entire sect of people that support casual abortion, oppose the death penalty, and somehow bring themselves to use puberty blockers on minors. What do we have if not a philosophy of destroy the innocent, save the guilty, and mutilate the children?
I think historians will definitely look upon this time as the 2nd dark ages.
I hate to be cold about it, but I would like to see more animal experimentation before people screw with prepubescent children.
I still have no misconceptions about the sect developing with the attitude of support casual abortion, oppose the death penalty, and somehow bring themselves to use puberty blockers on minors. I still see it as inconsistent to destroy the innocent, save the guilty, and mutilate children.
There is no reason someone cannot wait until they are an adult to be reassigned or start taking hormones.
And there actually has been substantial animal testing done on this subject, to the point where scientists were able to create what were essentially FTM rats by injecting testosterone into a pregnant mother rat. After the baby rats were born and grown, the females of the litter behaved as if they were male, and even tried to mate with the other females. This is incredibly strong evidence towards proving that gender identity really is determined on a biological and neurological level.
A few years ago, PBS aired an episode of NOVA titled "Sex: Unknown," which focused on the story of David Reimer, a man who was given a sex change as an infant even though he wasn't a transsexual. The procedure to change David's sex from male to female was suggested by Psychologist John Money, a self-described feminist who believed in the theory that gender was a purely social construct, and that gender identity could be changed by the way a child was raised. However, as the case of David Reimer proved, gender has deep roots in biology, and trying to change a child's perception of their own identity has devastating consequences for the mental stability and well being of that child. The only viable solution is to let the child be who they want to be.
Here's a video of that NOVA episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yT9apMe...
If you skip ahead to 15:12 in the timeline, you can watch the part where they talk about the animal testing done on rats.
Here's a way around it; illegalize any treatment to change one's physical sexual characteristics until one is 18 years of age. Then we don't need to worry about confused little kids using the wrong bathroom.
One Month Later: How California's Transgender Student Law Is Affecting Public Schools:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/31/...