Jack Parsons and the Occult: The birth of NASA, government looters, and sexual sacrifice

Posted by overmanwarrior 11 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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I spent time away from this site for a little while as business professionally has been very intense, and I was on a reading binge--and something had to give. Part of that binge includes some long held suspicions that I needed some confirmation on especially in relation to the problems of Objectivism and how it interacts with the rest of the world. There are so many people with so many haphazard ideals--that in order to properly deal with them you have to understand their foundations beyond even the loose term of progressivism. Understanding that foundation of faulty thinking of course points to what Ayn Rand would term--the mystic. In that realm are many who function from the occult including freemasons, O.T.O cult members, and the many politicians who participate in these activities hoping that some "gods" beyond the grave would give them assistance in the world. This cult behavior is the ultimate crony capitalism and is one of the big reasons why so many people have difficulties understanding Ayn Rand.

We saw some of those people on this site where a real hatred of the new Atlas movie Part 3 was on full display so I had to understand why they felt they way they did, why they were so stupid intellectually. After learning about some of the occult practices which formed the progressive party of Teddy Roosevelt, the answer is now quite clear.

Ayn Rand got it right. Aleister Crowley screwed it up. Unfortunately, most of our present society followed Crowley much to their doom.

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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hmmm. If I read the article correctly, it was mostly about Albert Pike, of the Scottish Rite branch of Masonry. Having never been a part of Scottish Rite, I cannot speak to its veracity. As a Mason in the "Blue" Lodge, the entered apprentice, fellowcraft and master masons degrees, I am only aware of the lessons and principles taught there, none of which comes close to what was exposited in the article. If you have an acquaintance who is a Mason, and who has a Monitor of the Lodge available, ask to see it. There is nothing contained therein, which is in plain text, which is occult or Satanic.
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps not slavery to your brother, but rather slavery of your brother. In the relationship between master and slave, who is the keeper, and who is the kept?
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well yeah, but if there's actual child abuse going on, that's different. I'm not opposed to regulation as long as it's reasonable.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are highly sensitive about discrimination abuse issues. I am slower to call those things.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    separate out the two. The children is one thing, the fraud cases were involving embezzlement and other stuff. It is highly publicized-you can look it all up.
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    Posted by EconomicFreedom 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >Here 's what afellow free mason says . . .

    Indeed. Here is what the author of the article you linked to wrote:

    "I am of the opinion that the amount of occult material in modern Masonry depends on the perspective of the practitioner. If you are looking for an occult experience, you can find it in Freemasonry. If you are simply looking for a fraternal order you can also find that within Freemasonry, and there are many devout Christians who are Freemasons who are not actively looking for any sort of occult meaning in 'The Craft.' To put it simply, it’s there if you want it, and if you don’t want it, that’s fine too."

    Doesn't seem to indicate the occult being "all over the place."

    Did you read the complete article? Or only select parts?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any entity that would intentionally separate child from parent should be universally chastised.

    However, the fraud convictions? If it is true, is it fraud? And who's to know? Willing adults partaking of actions willingly, regardless of whether you or I or some government entity approves, should not be restricted. People are free to act upon whatever (foolishness) they will. That is called "free-will" (thanks to Rush, which I am currently, and very happily, listening to - of my own Free Will!.)
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not about to get into miracles with you or why they're necessary for belief, but I agree they all come in willingly. cult practice is evil and even if they agreed to go in to -whatever they do there-children are involved and often separated from their parents. As a psychological control, they work them physically for long hours and deprive them of food in some cases. There is a website where you can check this out-
    http://exscientologykids.com/
    and there are those multiple fraud convictions from top leaders in scientology....
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Bad" based on what criteria? Is a confidence man who convinces people to willingly part with their money truly the "bad" person? While I certainly don't hold LRH in very high regard, neither do I those who buy into what he peddled with no clear evaluation.
    Now, you are probably going to say that my acceptance of what I believe is the same, and I will clearly disagree. There are contemporaneous reports of the miracles that occurred.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. AR and other die-hard Objectivists take teachings such as "I am my brother's keeper" and extrapolate that that MUST result in slavery to your brother. I reject that line of reasoning and say that it is nothing different than the Objectivist belief that the moral thing to do is to respect others as that is the only way for you to receive respect in return.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    where's the cartoon of the force scientologists demonstrate to their followers? The deprivation from family and friends, the constant demands for more of people's savings for the church? the fraud convictions from top scientology leaders? Cult classic
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  • Posted by overmanwarrior 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think Ayn Rand identified that religion was the path to collectivism. Just because a person has values doesn't mean they blindly follow religion. And just because Ayn Rand believed something doesn't mean it's the way of the universe. John Galt's speech is about freedom, it's against shackles, even Ayn Rand's.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I looked at your blog, and you seem like you're a pretty deeply religious person. Are you aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy trumpets atheism? She believed that all religion inevitably leads to Communism or Socialism, and that the only way to prevent government tyranny was to reject all notions of the mystical and the religious. If you read John Galt's speech near the end of Atlas Shrugged, it's just as much an attack on religion as it is an attack on Communism. Do you believe that the world would be a better place if everyone were atheists? That's what Ayn Rand believed...
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  • Posted by overmanwarrior 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not just anything, but well placed philosophy designed to break down traditional opposition takes a slow cooker of a sorts to take. In a lot of ways the things discussed here in the Gulch are like that. A lot of people aren't quite ready, but give them a little time and some evidence. Things will improve.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was referring to your previous comment. Are you implying that anything which is written automatically becomes influential after six decades?
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