You seem to hate America. Our military does not occupy. Occupiers enforce their beliefs, their doctrines on the occupied. Why is the word terrorist in quotations? Are there no terrorists? Radical muslims have been terrorizing people for centuries. Do you also believe we deserved the 9-11 attack on civilians? Their brutality in dealing with their enemies is legend. I know of no other group, religious or otherwise, that's man goal is to subjugate the entire world to their belief system. I do not aspire to live in a hut and bow to anyone's God under threat of punishment. I will not defend jihad, which is what their religion. They will never 'forgive' us until we are all in Islamic chains.

You may want to edit (censor) what you just said before puzzlelady labels you as a hater. Remember what Prez Bush says (picture a swinging watch in front of your eyes) "Islam is a religion of peace" Now repeat/chant ad nauseam.

It's been a while since I've encountered someone like you. The last time was in person, and it's always the same, tired, delphi-technique of isolation, marginalization & discredit I run into. It won't work here.

However, I do agree with you on what the money-changers (todays banksters) did to Jesus Christ only 3 days after he upset the tables IN THE TEMPLE & chewed them out for defiling the temple. But, that is the nature of the bankers ~ sadomasochism

Where's the venom-filled nonsense I speak of? Is it of my own creation? Or is it I'm pointing out the true nature of Islam? Oh, that's right: pointing out the ugliness (the truth) isn't welcomed, thus act quickly to discredit the person with the astute perception before the masses get word of it.

You erroneously accuse me of taking vengeance out on whom? Whom am I seeking vengeance? I seek vengeance against no one. You may want to read that again.

Not even against muslims. You get that? Why? Because muslims themselves are DECEIVED. Since you're an atheist, and therefore, you don't believe anything happens after death, this leaves you out of the conversation between the beliefs among muslims & christians. Why is that? Well, do you believe what's in the Bible to be true? No you do not. Do you believe in what's in the Koran to be true? No you do not.

That said, stop implying you're on the side of the muzzies and stick with your belief that there is no God and that's that.

This is how I feel. They have committed crimes and been sent to prison as a result. All of the things that are enjoyed when free, should not be made available when jailed. It's meant as a punishment, not an extension of daily life.

1. Most Islamic prisoners in American prisons are black and converted to Islam while in prison.
2. Halal dietary law is very much like Kosher dietary law.
3. The purpose of the manner of killing is to have the still-living heart of the animal pump as much blood as possible out of the body before it dies, not to create suffering. I have watched a Halal sacrifice of a sheep in southern Iran. Once the slice was made, the body shuddered for just a moment, and then there was no sign of pain after that. A very sharp blade is used for the slaughter and (as I have learned by cutting myself with a very sharp blade) there is little to no sensation of pain until some time after the cut occurs. Many different cultures use this means of slaughtering animals. The US method is hardly more humane -- bashing them over the head with a blunt object.

Why not just feed them a vegetarian diet? This is healthy - and politically correct.

Jan

In jail you do not have freedom of assembly, speech, the right to keep and bear arms, press (even your mail is opened), why should they be allowed freedom of religion?

If the state has an interest in them practicing religion in jail, then it should be allowed. I can specifically see this in the case where there are prison programs that have arguably helped prisoners reckognize their crimes and become better citizens. The problem with Islam in prison is that we are creating a new generation of hardened criminals turned into radical islamists. This religious practice not only has no benefit to the state or are society but runs contrary to our interests.

Generally speaking, if the meals are being provided to Orthodox Jews, they most likely are neither terrorists or murderers. Probably white collar crimes. If that assuages you sense of fairness.

I am fine with everything you say here, except for the part "we shouldn't insult other peoples religions".

Have you ever studied Islam? Have you ever lived in an Islamic country? I have, in both instances. I can tell you that it is FAR different than what the Bankster, bought-and-paid for MSM drones tell America Islam is about.

Now, I'm not saying I'm an expert. But I have (since 1996) studied enough of Islam that I got physically sick. This has prevented me from studying it further. Though, since 2000 on and off, I have at times, been able to laugh at the absurdities of what's written in the Koran (Mohammed's dim view/twisted understanding of the Old Testament & New Testament) concerning many of the major names in the Bible.

That said, no one can ever say 'I can get away from Christianity by running to Islam' OR 'Islam is perfect, islam is the way, I know, it's all that...' etc WITHOUT FIRST reading the sources of Koran ~ that's right, the Bible AND other polytheistic practices, e.g. Zoroastrianism (that were scattered across the regions at that time) which was originally founded in Iran (Persia) so as to compare the validity of what Mohammed said. Remember, Islam came about 570 years after Christianity and a couple thousand years after the Old Testament.

I prefer NOT to go on professing what I have discovered through my own research; I'd rather have people discover it own their own.

Anyways, my point to the comment I disagree is, if you truly knew what Islam really is, you would know that Islam itself is insulting to EVERYONE. In order of insulting: atheists, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus & everyone else after that.

To insult Islam is to point out the truth. Pointing out the truth will lead to your death. So, if you're afraid of insulting Islam, then that means you're afraid of telling them the truth about the voluminous hypocrisises, inconsistencies & outright lies that are contained within the Koran. You cannot tell me the Koran is correct and the Bible is wrong if you haven't read the Bible.

Here's a few things for you to consider:

Who was the FIRST muslim? Clue: If you say "Mohammed" you're WRONG.

Do you think it's true that angels actually prostrate themselves before man?

Everyone SHOULD know about Noah's Ark, it's dimensions, etc. Do you believe it had sails on it? Mathematically, do you believe the dimensions of the Ark that is mentioned in the Koran, do you believe it would float if you were to re-create those dimensions? (it was tried with the Old Testament description and yes, it does float)

Why did Cain kill Abel? Was it really because Cain wanted Abel's wife, who was in fact Abels SISTER, because she was more beautiful than Cains wife, who was also Cains sister? (Yes, with Islam, there's nothing wrong with incest)

Now what do you think of Islam? I find Islam to be incredibly insulting & most perverse. I challenge you to do your own research to discover the TRUTH about Islam.

Many prisoners (as well as airline passengers) are asking for kosher meals. They know it's fresher and tastes better. In the case of passengers it's OK, but prisoners? Too bad.

Hey, they're already getting 3 hots and a cot -
Enough awreddy!!!

Speaking of MREs....there are also "humanitarian pouched meals" which are air-dropped all over the place. At least they were during much of the Iraqi war and have been during large-scale natural disasters.

Anyway....the contents of "humanitarian pouched meals" are designed not to clash with any religious dietary restrictions. Possibly a menu suggestion at least.

For some decades, this has been a means of getting a much better meal when traveling by air. Ask for any sort of "special" meal. These are produced individually, rather than on an assembly line. Now that one doesn't generally get a meal on a flight, , it's a moot point in many respects. But worth keeping in mind where applicable. After all, if you're traveling via airline, you're paying for it!

You're saying that "kosher" means the animal went through unnecessary suffering too?

I never knew. The slow killing of them is wrong. You get the job over with & move onto the next phase. You don't sit there & watch & enjoy with erotic tendencies to bathe in the suffering while praising God. Point to me the scripture (Old Testament, since we are speaking about Jewish tradition) where it says that. More on Islam when I respond to your next comment below.

Quite true! And Kosher meals cost 4 times as much as ordinary prison fare. How much do halal meals cost relative to ordinary prison meals? Actually, for Kosher or halal, why not create a charity that would pay for the difference?

OK. One of the most basic tenants of American culture has, until the past few decades, maintained that we are a melting pot, where differing cultures of immigrants distinct cultural differences are blended with the American norm (those cultural nuances that are distinctly American).

Over the past couple decades efforts have been made to subvert this American norm and suppress those in favor of the differences found in other cultures, placing those as superior to the American norm.

Doing so WE (those who maintain American cultural distinctive's) are quickly becoming an endangered species as children are taught these foreign cultures in school at all levels. AND they are taught that these distincttive's are superior to their own.

Now Fred, I kinda like the culture I grew up in. I've lived in a number of different countries and have yet to find one that is superior to ours and I really don't like our kids being taught that they are. We dealt with garbage from our daughter for a number of years about how wonderful a certain "culture" was until we lived in that country for a year. At the end of that period, we had no more problem with her about it. I don't need to say what culture it was, but the sterilized view she was taught in school was not reality and was not the whole truth.

On our return we placed our kids in a private school and had no more problems like that. As an adult she's well adjusted and apart from a taste for spicy food she avoided the extremes she was being taught.

Melting pot, not separate distinctly separate cultures is what has given us our strength, we had best return to that.

Indeed, when I slaughter my own sheep I use a method nearly identical to the halal method, with a very sharp knife through both carotid arteries. Lack of sensation is nearly instantaneous, and death follows quickly.

Humans seem to have more respect for the animals that provide meat than do other carnivores. Ever try to explain to your cat that she should not torture her dying mouse or bird?

I actually work in a prison and the average inmate costs about $4 a day to feed while the Kosher inmates are $25 per day.. AND most of the people requesting Kosher meals don't keep Kosher (they buy non Kosher items from the Inmate Store). They just claim it because they know it costs the State money.

As enemy combatants, my personal opinion is, Ham and eggs for breakfast, all meat bologna for lunch, with pork and beans included in the evening meal. If they were in Rome, they would be encouraged to "do as the Romans do!" They are in prison.

Re: stargeezer,

There are distinctions that need to be considered with this question. The first would be if we're talking about POW, or criminals convicted under civilian law. As a nation that considers religious practices in their treatment, if it is a legitimate prisoner that practices aa religion, traditionally we try to accommodate their dietary requirements.

For POW's we have always treated them humanely in the hope that the enemy will also do so to our men. Of course this has seldom in fact been practiced by our enemies.

Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com