it's Penn's turn

it's abstract-I like concrete OA

I love that word, OA!

So I ran lots of laundry, dried my clothing on the hottest setting, ran the vacuum, kept lights on in unoccupied rooms, and dried my hair using my blow dryer. Oh, and drove around in my SUV for short trips, although a short trip here, being rather rural, is 15-20 minutes each way. I don't however dump toxic waste around my home, and take care that I don't poison my groundwater, as I have a well. It's colder, as the earth is naturally going through a phase of cooling, which it has done alternately with warming, since it came into existence. My "carbon footprint" will do absolutely NOTHING to change that. And I believe in fracking. Evil, evil NMA... Lol

We have private carting companies here, not municipal, so I actually pay for it, as opposed to getting taxed for it. It is by far a better bargain. I'm supporting a business, rather than the looters this way. And I had the choice of shopping for the best price for the services provided.

I worked at a recycling centre in Southern England for a short time about thirteen years ago. It was a grim job but it was all that was available at that time. Beggars can't be choosers...

We had 6 to 8 huge bins, labelled Household or Garden Waste. The public would dutifully separate their waste & dispose of it in the correct bins. Throughout the day, lorries would collect the bins & dump the contents - regardless of what it was, into the same hole in the ground. It was a big fat lie to get the public to comply with 'environmental' muscle. This was of course government subsidised. I suspect things have moved on since then & more waste is actually recycled.

Of course now there are even more categories & sub-categories of waste to contend with, so the public are forced into either giving up half of their living space to accommodate extra bins (in certain areas, fines are issued for putting bins out on the wrong day), or sifting through dirt on their hands & knees like tramps at the recycling centre, in order to appease the great & all knowing environmental god. The public of course have to pay for this non-service. It's called Council Tax.

oh and speaking of BullShit, anyone know if we can expect Penn, or Teller again for AS III? I thought Teller would make a good Eddie Willers...

actually hadn't seen that episode yet - just finished watching. It's true. I am under no delusions about recycling. I worked at a recycling facility in college (did i mention i was a hippie?) to pay rent, but we sorted everything so that the finished product could be shipped directly to a manufacturer.
I do not think recycling programs should be subsidized. I would totally pay for a privatized service to pick up my quality materials, like cans and white paper (worth most $$), and deliver them to a local manufacturer. The benefit I would receive for my payment is the knowledge that every bit of usefulness is being squeezed out of these products before they go into landfill.

I remember when that happened. we used to refer to the fact that Boulder only allowed for a few road into the town as them building their own "moat"-and I was glad they stayed over there by themselves.
You need to see that BullShit episode about recycling, eitheror

Misanthropes! They hate reason also...

when i was a Boulder hippie (lol) I saw a lot of people for whom it seemed the end justified the means. The scariest was the vote for a municipal utility over (regional) Xcel energy: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/us/col...

Simply because Xcel wasn't "going green" fast enough. Anyone I tried to talk to about how much it would cost the taxpayers AND most likely how inefficient the initial system would be responded with "but Xcel is a big corporation".

Today I'm celebrating earth day by doing what I always do: recycling (to be efficient with resources) and biking to work (because it's good for my body)