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Some Thoughts On the Debate Last Night and Candidates for Republican Nomination

Posted by khalling 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Carly won. However, if you remember last go around, Gingrich also blew it away-yet he was not the nominee
2. Most of the candidates come off somewhat hapless and unPresidential
3. Paul and Carly were the only two I remember mentioning rights
4. Cruz and Trump were the only ones to call out Congress
5. No real questions about fixing/building the economy
6. Too much emphasis on the Border. I mean it's not a big plan issue. Just say you'll secure it. why get into details? BUT, the economy and wealth creation need to have a plan to sell to voters. One of my favorite comedies, Modern Family has a character who is always asking her ADD husband-"What's the PLAN PHIL?" that is my question for them. Hermann Cain did that well with his 9-9-9 plan. At first I thought it hokey, but it got people thinking and it was simple and covered the major bases. To be a successful front runner, I think you need a plan kinda like that. Regulation killing, agency checking, tax overhaul (abolish the IRS) and wealth creation-those can be articulated fairly simply. Foreign policy is harder and more controversial, so I would not make it my cornerstone(as Rand is currently doing).

What did I miss and what are your thoughts on what the candidates need to do in order to stand apart from the pack?


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  • Posted by H6163741 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unfortunately, by voting Libertarian, you are only helping the Democrats win and further erode our country.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Carly Fiorina tenure at HP would be a nice example (of what not to do) to put in to a 2nd edition of your book, "Source of Economic Growth".
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have you seen career politicians run the country well lately? I think she could do just fine? Just as Carson probably could.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 9 months ago
    A lot of good comments and observations. I have one question at this stage after all of this coverage this weekend.

    Why is Jim Gilmore completely off the radar screen? He seemed confidant, articulate and with a very impressive resume.
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or lets interview the 3 rounds of WFR (HP's Workforce Reductions) of 15,000 each and interview those 45,000 people.

    I am not bitter at HP only Carly...
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My overall impression of the debate was this?

    Who was running for office? The ten on stage or Megyn, Wallace and Baer?
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. A CEO is a person with a Clearly defined vision, and knows how to put the team together and use the resources to achieve that vision.

    I only see Ben Carson and Trump as the only two who can really do that...and have PROOF they do it all the time.

    Pediatric Neurosurgeon has to do that before during and after every surgery...Trump has to do that from concept to fulfillment of the concept...
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok, a little on MY career. I was hired by digital Equipment in Feb of 1996. I was inside that company and can tell you a lot of internals and the Dot Com had NOTHING to do with Digital being sold to Compaq..

    Compaq and the German CEO had previous arrangements with Digital for the buyout years before as the major stockholders and founders wanted to "cash-out" instead of leaving their legacy to their pathetic kids and relatives. I can go into great detail on how Digital was eventually sold to Compaq.

    Eckardt Pheifer the CEO of Compaq made a major bonehead move in Buying Digital because he was a German Citizen and Digital (DEC's) portfolio consisted mainly of Government contracts, and by law the German CEO could not be head of a company that had Sensitive US government contracts.

    Next he made the mistake of not calculating the Compaq Service centers and the Service centers destroyed Compaq with lawsuits since DEC has a massive internal and global servicing arm, that went into direct conflict with these Compaq Service Centers, and violated their paid territories.

    BTW, Carly obviously NEVER paid attention to that and made the SAME bonehead mistake when she bought Compaq, which tanks BECAUSE of the Digital Buyout, coupled with all the server and storage lines that directly competed with each other.

    So you see. DEC, Compaq and HP suffered their issues NOT because of the DOT com crash but because of stupid Sr. Level Management.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, however in a company built on engineering, full of engineers, you decide that someone with no engineering experience would be the best person to run the company?
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was addressing the negative of "phil/history major"; your's is a different question; and no, by itself, her HP experience is not sufficieint.

    But I would say that intelligence, rationality and the right principled stance on key issues is all that should be considered for the nomination.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, your comment has helped clarify the confusion I felt at my reaction to Rand Paul. I found him petulant rather than presidential.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The invention part of the company was what she bundled into Agilent Technologies, now Keysight. Among many other things, they made gas and liquid chromatography systems, of which I still have a couple that predate Carly's spinoff of what I thought was the better part of the company. +1 for db.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Never mind that she legitimately worked her way up from the bottom. Takes a strong character to do that.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I said "Some Strengths" - e.g. fights hard for what he believes. But don't care for him much.
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  • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes - let's interview the 11,000 striking Air Traffiic Controllers that were fired by Ronald Reagan in 1981 and see how they feel Reagan did as POTUS.

    I think their view would also be distorted.
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    HPQ stock price shot up even more when Carly was hired in 1999

    Yup, and the ONLY reason id did is because people cheered when a Female was named CEO of a fortune 50 company.

    Boy were their cheers misplaced. They cheered an idiot
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not make these things up. In fact I do not make ANYTHING up...

    Fact is way stranger than fiction.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. I have known of others who worked for HP at that time and also bitter; but their inside view appears to be somewhat distorted.
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  • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CPQ perhaps was an unwise attempt to increase margins in the PC business. Perhaps spinning the HP PC business off completely like IBM did (Lenovo) would have been wiser. The HUGE margins in printer ink perhaps complicated this market segment.

    It is not clear to me that given how screwed up HP's market and market position was in 1999 that HP / Carly missed any great opportunities. At least she walked away from the Price-Waterhouse acquisition attempt!

    Doesn't the "HP Way" remind anyone of how government employment typically works? Carly taking that on is at least similar to what is needed throughout the executive branch. Of course many HPQ employees hated it - how do you think the fed employees would feel with Ron Paul implementing the plan above.

    It would be (theoretically) great for Carly to implement the Ron Paul (or even Rand Paul) plan above - but getting elected first would help.
    Got to pick your battles to make some progress.

    However - still not sure her or other Republican candidate (like Rand Paul, most likely) is worth voting for vs. the typical Libertarian option.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 9 months ago
    I thought the first session went well, Carly shined and I have new admiration for her. The second session was a fiasco and the worst part of it is that I lost a lot of respect for the Fox News people. It was very antagonistic and not just towards Trump. I think a lot of the questions were putting the candidates on the defensive and we did not hear about about policies or their background. It was ll defending against the way the questions were asked. It was very partisan and it sometimes felt like a hit job to try to piss people off and try to make them make a statement or reply that would knock them out in the polls. Out of it, to me at least, I will definitely watch less of the Fox programs after that performance and stick to Drudge or the Blaze for my news. Sorry Fox but that was uncalled for and I think CNN did a better job. Oh yeah, Governor Perry, the President's job is more than controlling the border.
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