What is the REAL objectivist view on homosexuality?
Thoughts?
http://atlassociety.org/commentary/co...
So according to Objectivism , sex is potentially moral, but what about homosexuality? The few times Ayn Rand spoke publicly about homosexuality, her remarks were disparaging. She said that homosexuality is a manifestation of psychological "flaws, corruptions, errors, [and] unfortunate premises" and that it is both "immoral" and "disgusting" ("The Moratorium on Brains," Ford Hall Forum Lecture [Boston, 1971]).
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ant...
Observe that today’s resurgence of tribalism is not a product of the lower classes—of the poor, the helpless, the ignorant—but of the intellectuals, the college-educated “elitists” (which is a purely tribalistic term). Observe the proliferation of grotesque herds or gangs—hippies, yippies, beatniks, peaceniks, Women’s Libs, Gay Libs, Jesus Freaks, Earth Children—which are not tribes, but shifting aggregates of people desperately seeking tribal “protection.”
The common denominator of all such gangs is the belief in motion (mass demonstrations), not action—in chanting, not arguing—in demanding, not achieving—in feeling, not thinking—in denouncing “outsiders,” not in pursuing values—in focusing only on the “now,” the “today” without a “tomorrow”—in seeking to return to “nature,” to “the earth,” to the mud, to physical labor, i.e., to all the things which a perceptual mentality is able to handle. You don’t see advocates of reason and science clogging a street in the belief that using their bodies to stop traffic, will solve any problem.
http://atlassociety.org/commentary/co...
So according to Objectivism , sex is potentially moral, but what about homosexuality? The few times Ayn Rand spoke publicly about homosexuality, her remarks were disparaging. She said that homosexuality is a manifestation of psychological "flaws, corruptions, errors, [and] unfortunate premises" and that it is both "immoral" and "disgusting" ("The Moratorium on Brains," Ford Hall Forum Lecture [Boston, 1971]).
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ant...
Observe that today’s resurgence of tribalism is not a product of the lower classes—of the poor, the helpless, the ignorant—but of the intellectuals, the college-educated “elitists” (which is a purely tribalistic term). Observe the proliferation of grotesque herds or gangs—hippies, yippies, beatniks, peaceniks, Women’s Libs, Gay Libs, Jesus Freaks, Earth Children—which are not tribes, but shifting aggregates of people desperately seeking tribal “protection.”
The common denominator of all such gangs is the belief in motion (mass demonstrations), not action—in chanting, not arguing—in demanding, not achieving—in feeling, not thinking—in denouncing “outsiders,” not in pursuing values—in focusing only on the “now,” the “today” without a “tomorrow”—in seeking to return to “nature,” to “the earth,” to the mud, to physical labor, i.e., to all the things which a perceptual mentality is able to handle. You don’t see advocates of reason and science clogging a street in the belief that using their bodies to stop traffic, will solve any problem.
Personally I don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors and I'm not interested in knowing either. I do object to being bludgeoned with peoples choices in many areas, including sexual orientation.
The Word Justice.. There never needs to be anything in front of it. Social Justice, Economic Justice, since that implies that Justice is not justice. Minority is the same. If you are not in a majority you are in a minority and I argue that every individual is a minority in themselves.
Since every individual IS a minority, and NOBODY should get special rights, so in that we are in complete agreement.
They do...your statement was false. A=A
Which is why it was quoted.
It shows how essentially the same meaning could be colored by word choice.
And, yes, the last one is an attack.
That was the whole point of Copi's example.
In none of your citations was the word "swish" used as a double-entendre in reference to homosexuals.
So, while you cited the correct combination of letters, you did not cite the meaning.
Eg: "The car is red" - does "red" here refer to a testarossa (a sports car in the color red) or a trabant (An East German approved substandard car)?
When you find a citation which uses "swish" as a knowing double-entendre, spoken as the author's own words, then you will have disproved my assertion and lent credence to yours.
I'll wait...
Journal of the American Medical Association, Volume 64
https://books.google.com/books?id=VB4...
There are more, but this is just one where the term "swish" is used to describe motion.
If I changed my mind on an opinion, or evolved my opinion, or altered my viewpoint, or flip flopped, or did a 180 on my view are all the same.
You last one implied I promised something.
Now if I PROMISED, and made a VOW to stick to a view, then changed my mind, only then can you say I went back on my word, welched on my word, or whatever descriptor you choose.
But let me assume the ridiculous.
I will assume that every single person straight and gay, practicing this behavior prior to engaging, during and after always engages in a safe manner using condoms and disinfectants to assure a perfectly safe encounter.
Hate is an emotional response, and as such, a subjective evaluation.
For all I know, she hated Italian food - her personal likes or dislikes have nothing to do with Objectivism.
Rand, however, did think that all manners of word play intended to cloud or color an issue were used specifically to remove reason from the argument.
There is a very big difference between "safe anal intercourse requires extra attention to hygiene" and "...swishing your penis around in the other guys rectum, coating it in fecal matter, to[sic] you at least wipe it off before you 'do other things' with it?" or even "repeatedly entering and exiting, coating the penis in fecal matter?".
"Blunt and straightforward" uses precise language.
One version is precise, the other two are precisely colored.
I prefer being blunt and straightforward.
Are homosexual men "unclean"?
Is that any better? Does that change the actual mechanics, or the results?
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