Presidebt Obama smiles.
Broom Hillary smiles.
Pocahontas Woo-woo-woo-Warren smiles.
Commie Castro smiles.
They all smile.

yes

ah, this is what we call the utilitarian argument. Lose your freedoms for pragmatic reasons. As Zen pointed out-your SS number was never to be an ID (that's recent). NOt that long ago-you did not need a passport. NOw in 2016 you have to have a star on your license. It's partly how they got even with the us because we screamed bloody murder about the new passport rules (which the agency walked back)-that's right-they quietly and civilly asked if you wanted a passport renewed or new one-what were your bank accounts, addresses for last 15 years, etc. People complained so much they revoked it. Complain LOUDLY and get MAD

Considering the state of savings accounts in this country, I'd say that the mattress is likely to give better interest.

more importantly, why exactly do we have to be civil to be persuasive? On the PC stuff I would say the PCers are anything but civil with people. and those trying to remove our liberties or steal our property? they are sweet as coconut oil or stealthy trying to say they want the opposite of what they are supporting. I do not have to be civil to that!

Frankly I am tired of other people trying to unload their problems on me. It happens so much these days, its disgusting. If they are going to rob me, they should just display their weapons and I will decide whether to acquiesce to their demands or stand firm and resist.

If you identify as a criminal, but you're innocent, and you can prove it by showing an ID, which would you prefer, a lot of drama being arrested, and later (possibly much later) proving your innocence, or showing an ID and being on your way? Personally, I don't have time to waste on anything other than what I'm interested in doing, and "proving" that I'm "free" isn't one of them.

How can people not see that no matter how nice the Government cronies are and regardless the intentions the noose continues to tighten. Papers please.

No matter the level of civility or expressed reasons for what they're doing. I simply don't want anybody other than I choose to know who I am, where I've been, or where I'm going. My first SS card had written diagonally across the face in red ink--Not To Be Used For ID. I liked that.

It all ranks right up there with: "If you haven't done anything wrong, why do you care what they know. Are you trying to hide something?"

What's proper to enforce? Criminal and Civil Tort!! I'm thinking about a post on 'What is Force."

It would be funny (b/c of the robber's near Canadian accent) if it weren't serious.

Hello khalling,
The IRS robs me of my money... sometimes the agents on the phone are nice... sometimes not so much. We already have a national ID. It is a social security card... Unfortunately that boat has already sailed. It is an infringement in several ways. The notion that anyone within the border of the U.S, should be accosted and asked "your papers please?" is offensive, unless it is a police officer that has caught you in the act of committing a crime. Then a state issued ID. seems like the only solution. If the Police are looking for someone else and they know the name and you fit the general description, but have Id that they accept and allow you to go on your way is that not acceptable? I don't mind having to present a drivers license to purchase adult beverages or get my money from a bank. Of course these final examples are voluntary. I could brew my own or keep my money under my mattress. What say you?
With Civility, :)
O.A.

I have to show this to my liberal-minded friends...umm, and my conservative-minded friends...ok...to my friends.

This is a metaphor for what's wrong with "the cost to live in a free society." Thanks, KH.

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