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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
    Look up The Peter Principle.
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    • Posted by MikeJoyous 5 years, 5 months ago
      Herb, the Peter Principle is about survival of the fittest. It is not about developing one's innate ability to survive.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
        Hmmm.
        A person is promoted to the level of their incompetence, as I recall or something akin to that. Seems to be more like the survival of the unfittest. Our present government is an excellent example of incompetents surviving and even prospering.
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        • Posted by MikeJoyous 5 years, 5 months ago
          Hi Herb:) You're right! The theme is about why there are so many incompetents in the world. I focused on some competent folks getting ahead of those incompetents. My mistake! But the original post was about transforming one's ability to succeed. Totally different than the Peter Principle!
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          • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
            My comprehension level is sometimes not up to any standard due to a shrinking brain from old age and subsequent loss of brain cells. However, it did provoke a bit of interesting sidebar discussion, . Gimme a topic, any topic and I can be provoked into a relevant or not-relevant discussion. Part of my old guy charm.
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            • Posted by MikeJoyous 5 years, 5 months ago
              Hi Herb:) Being into self-esteem, I kinda wish you wouldn't go overboard and talk about your shrinking intellect, amigo. Here's a challenge, Herb: how might you rewrite that as if your reality-based self-esteem were a tad higher than it is currently??
              Best always, Mike
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              • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
                Lighten up. Just a touch of humor. Wait -- hold on. I'm not dealing with my usual respondents. I'm in Galt's Gulch. You mean to say I can actually talk to people here without any denigration to myself and still have them pay close attention? What a liberating feeling! OK, so I'm being a smartass. But really, what I just typed is true. With the exception of my immediate family and a few others, I have always done a little self deprecating in order to get their attention and so they not feel as if I'm talking down to them (which I usually am). As to self-esteem, I've got that in abundance except when I think of all the errors made over a long lifetime. Can't do anything to change them, but I keep getting better.
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                • Posted by MikeJoyous 5 years, 5 months ago
                  Hi Herb, Yep you're in Galt's Gulch, amigo. Which means, you say what you wanna say, and I say what I wanna say. You focus on being a Star Communicator to me and I focus on being a Star Communicator to you. That's it:) It occurs to me, Herb, that you might be interested in my teleseminar on "Releasing" that I'd like to have ready within a few weeks. No charge, because I'm training myself more about how to release and how to give workshops on releasing. I mention this workshop because if you can learn to let go wanting to control others (as by self-denigrating in order to get them to listen to you, maybe to approve of you!) I predict that your relations will undergo a strong beneficial change!:) Actually, as I read your reply to me, Herb, a more advanced exercise came to mind (which you'd be able to do in a month or so of attending my workshop) so you wouldn't feel the need to look down on them so much. Please understand, Herb, I am no way opposed to knowing who you are and who they are. My problem is what you (or I or anyone) uses our own good points like sticks which are beat upon the heads of others, making us out to be better than them. What do you think of all this, amigo? Mike
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                  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
                    Don't know what to think. A lot to take in. Tell me about "releasing." I have given classes in relaxation technics and have been to many seminars including Brandon's "Intensives" as well as others. I'm not sure that I have made myself clear. I have a wide variety of people with whom I communicate. They range from very liberal to very conservative, from orthodox religionists to atheists. I communicate differently with different folks. Some who are philosophically very opposite me are also among my closest friends, for even though they are screwed up in their premises they are basically uncut diamonds. But, I am always interested in concepts unfamiliar to me, so ad astra per aspera, Amigo.
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                    • Posted by MikeRael101 5 years, 5 months ago
                      What does ad astra per aspera mean, Herb? It's a bit rough to explain releasing in a post or two, Herb. I intend to create a workshop about it:) However, let us try! When a person wants to do something, to feel something, or to control others or himself, there is something more that plays within the psyche than the simple intention to do something beneficial. That added something is what I call the "overpush." Imagine, say, that you'd like to simply communicate with another. Great intention! But when you *want* to communicate, often that includes feelings like "I gotta let you know I'm more brilliant than you or better than you or I want you to approve of me or I want to control you." If it is possible to let go of that *want* but NOT the intention (and I'm convinced that it is) then one can view the situation with far more objectivity after one has released that want. Here's another example, Herb: imagine that you have a teenage daughter who is acting rebelliously. She knows how to push your buttons so you get upset. What do you do? I would argue that the first thing to consider is to learn releasing, to reduce the intensity of one's pain, fear, or anger so that you can deal with the situation rationally. I have no idea if you have a daughter, Herb, but I'll bet that the creative-Herb I'm talking with this moment, can find some way of applying that notion to his own life. What thinkest?
                      best, Mike
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                      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
                        Ad astra per aspera, a motto I've had for myself for the last 20 years or so. "Through hardship, to the stars." In the last ten years, I have determined to live a stress-free life. That means that while I cannot always keep life from bringing stressful things to me, I can work at generating stress from me. To a great extent, I have been successful. It is true that I often use humor to smooth over stressful, or possible stressful situations. I find it interesting that you feel you have such a grasp on my persona from our brief exchanges in the Gulch.
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  • Posted by MikeJoyous 5 years, 5 months ago
    The problem is that this post is, primarily, behavioristic. There is no answer given to what you might do to change your life's course. No reference is made to one's feelings that such a change might inspire.
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  • Posted by  $  mminnick 5 years, 5 months ago
    If one accepts defeat, the outcome of the endeavor is fixed, it is defeat. If one assumes success a possible outcome is,of course defeat but another outcome is success and all that goes with that.Two examples1. The American revolution. We should have been defeated, but Washington and the other leaders assumed success and work phenomenally hard to make it happen and it did
    2. The Victory of the north Vietnamese. They should have lost, but they believed in success and worked until they got it. It doesn't matter that the US abandoned south Vietnam for the NVA would have continued to fight whether we had or not, beliving their cause was right and just.
    Note: I'm not saying the NVA were right or just just that they believed and they won, just as we did in the revolutionary war.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 5 years, 5 months ago
      Re: mminnick,

      About your Vietnam example, while I understand your point, I need to make a correction of fact. The united States never lost a battle, except the battle of desire to win. The troops always believed we could win but were sold out by their politicians. The sellout began under president Johnson and was completed under president Nixon once he realized that he had lost the support of the public. In fact there were two reasons for the loss of that support. It was the beginning of politicians not supporting their troops and do everything necessary to achieve victory. That would have included totally destroying the war making capabilities of the enemy by bombing North Vietnam which we were capable of doing. The ultimate result was what we see today, the non-support of our troops after committing them to battle. Our troops are capable of defeating any enemy, it's our politicians of both parties that are the defeatist and defeat becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The net result, thousands of troops killed and maimed for nothing.

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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      • Posted by  $  mminnick 5 years, 5 months ago
        That is my oint. The NVA was determined to win and believed they could. The US was not in it to win and lost the will to win politically. The US Military won every battle they fought but the political leaders lack the belief we could win.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 5 months ago
        I happen to be reading They Marched Into Sunlight right now. It's the first time I've learned that much about the Vietnam war. It juxtaposes peace demonstrations in Madison, which my parents and grandparents told lived through and told me about, with what was happening in Vietnam.

        The thing that stands out the most is that, at least by my understanding of this book, the VC could retreat to the north or other VC territory and usually be safe. They usually choose the time and place of battle, and did so to their advantage. A basic concept of war is that you need to grab the initiative, make the enemy respond to you instead the other way around. This one book makes it sound like the VC did things, and the US would respond. When the US went to attack, some of the troops were conscripts hoping to do their yr of service w/o seeing too much danger. It all sounds like a formula to lose.
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        • Posted by airfredd22 5 years, 5 months ago
          Re: CircuitGuy,

          You are correct in your understanding of the book. Yes, a good number of conscripts as well as some volunteers were not what I would consider crack troops. As to the North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong being able to retreat into safe zones is also true. That's what I was referring to when I wrote that it was the politicians who lost the war, not the troops. Our political leadership declared North Vietnam off limits with an occasional exception. You read more about the conduct of the war and the bombing of Haiphong in particular at:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_L...

          Fred Speckmann
          commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by  $  Maphesdus 5 years, 5 months ago
    Ugh, that web page is horrible and a pain to read.

    For anyone who would rather not read the brief essay in that awful format, here's the text from it: [see attached reply]
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    • Posted by  $  Maphesdus 5 years, 5 months ago
      THE POWER OF ASSUMING SUCCESS (RATHER THAN ACCEPTING DEFEAT)...

      Why are some people invigorated by a seemingly insurmountable task while others seem paralyzed by the same situation? Some see the opportunity to make progress towards the completion of a project while others shut down unless they see an immediate conclusion well within their reach. Other than the obvious propensity towards taking risks, there is one underlying characteristic differentiating the two attitudes – the ability to question “why not?” before acting rather than needing to understand “why” before formulating a plan and moving forward.

      Everyone comes to a fork in the road – a decision point that forever changes what they have done, redirecting all efforts and activities towards the accomplishment of what they have yet to become. Many attempt to “define” this moment through resolutions to change but find that shifting directions is a process rather than an event. We cannot “will” ourselves to eliminate years of bad habits in one moment – it takes time to undo what we often do to ourselves. “If only…” will never define “what is…” When we trap ourselves within the world of excuses by asking what might have happened “if only” we had acted differently, we lose sight of reality. Dwelling upon things NOT accomplished will never initiate change – it only reinforces your limitations (rather than celebrating your abilities).

      Some individuals act in accordance with established policy, practice or procedure whether or not that may be the best way to do something. Others constantly question what they are asked to do as a means to test and temper the validity of an action prior to its being taken. What good does it do to advance an idea unless it makes a difference? One will never experience their full potential by seeking comfort within a world defined by other’s expectations. Life is not a spectator sport – it requires careful consideration, intelligent planning and intentional action. Most successful individuals establish basic tenants for their life – rules they use to hold themselves accountable for their own actions. While everyone lives by some set of values and ethics, some of the rules that provide the “highest return on investment” would include the following:

      * It is OK to make a mistake BUT do not repeat the same mistake. It is OK to make a wrong decision – any well-thought out decision is better than no decision. Learn from your errors, using them as a springboard to propel you forward. People will usually work with you as long as you continue to show measurable progress or growth.

      * Focus on things you can control. Identify obstacles that are within your sphere of influence and actively seek to eliminate whatever hurdles you can by giving them up to someone who has the ability to influence them. Likewise, seek to find the factors you cannot influence or control and give them up immediately.

      * Lying, cheating, or stealing is intolerable. If you are the best performer or individual with the highest results… but those results came through dishonesty or at someone else’s expense… you will not be respected, credible NOR working (or participating in an ongoing relationship) for very long.

      * Results are recognized – effort is merely a means to the end. Seek not praise for working hard or contributing greatly – let recognition come your way through the results your effort achieved. Do not begin your new year THINKING about change – take intentional actions to initiate change.

      * All individuals may speak, question, and have a voice in any decision but that does not mean all votes are equal. Life is not a democracy. Input is valued but an individual responsible for the ultimate success of any endeavor must – and will - make the final decision. Do not confuse “equal” with “equitable” as you seek to identify and establish new points from which you can leap forward during the coming year.

      There is nothing that “cannot be done.” While some solutions may not be cost-effective, or are simply impractical or beyond our ability to implement, “I can’t,” “It’s not possible,” and other self-condemning attitudes are not acceptable. Well thought-out solutions to issues you may encounter while doing your job (or during life in general) are not reasons for celebration, they are simply expectations of the way you should continually exhibit and utilize your abilities.

      As the curtains of time fall on another year, focus upon the things you have experienced rather than the things that “COULD have been accomplished IF ONLY you had not run out of time.” Somehow, building from a foundation of “what is” seems much more relevant to life than hiding behind “What could have been.” Seeking “what has yet to happen” provides a much better foundation upon which to build than does “Why try?" The sands of time can either flow unobstructed to their logical end OR they can break out of their paradigm to become something never before imagined.
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