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Venezuela almost out of beer

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago to News
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You can choose not to live, you can choose not to think, but you cannot avoid the consequences of such choices -- except by trying to make others pay for your default. - John Galt
SOURCE URL: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/07/09/globalpost-venezuela-beer-shortage/29905975/


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago
    I want to see Venezuela crash and burn. It drags on and on while other people support them. Same with Greece. Let them fall and then realize WHY their countries fell apart. For once !!
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    • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 9 months ago
      Exactly correct. Note the "bailouts" are by other governments using taxpayer money, best know as the "People's Mortgage Company" in Atlas Shrugged. No private lender would have given them (Greece, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, etc) credit in the first place.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
        After all if it was good enough for us why not them? Except, in our case it truly was OPM funding confiscated by a basket case that no private lender would have considered - short of a gun at their head. No one around to bail out the lender of last resort so....back to inflation, devaluation, repudiation and another round of wars.

        No beer? Let them drink Falstaff. It was pretty much the same thing.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 9 months ago
        Most poor-country debts to US banks date from the cold war, when the government pressured the banks into lending in order to persuade those countries not to join the Communist bloc. In return the banks were given accounting rules that pretended those loans were rock-solid assets (allowing the banks to create more money and lend it here).

        I don't think that was a good idea even in the short term. Take Viet Nam. It was a nasty dictatorship when we got there (before the coup of 1964), enough so that Communist rule may even have been better for those people. Meanwhile, it would not have hurt us, because there's no way the Soviets or Chinese would have made a profit running a poor country like Viet Nam. They'd just gain a bunch of uneducated people to feed and to try to put to work.

        I think the same holds true for Venezuela and Bolivia. Those people are in sad shape, and even if we somehow conquered those countries they'd still be poor and living under dictators they hate. So why not let our enemies fill that role?
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        • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 9 months ago
          I agree. Simon Black commented a day or so ago about Vietnam now gaining. It is a vacation destination for many (my French relatives have been there a couple of times) and they are becoming the new "China" to manufacture things that are now too expensive to make in China.

          58,000 US killed, 100s of thousands permanently physically and mentally injured, and for what? Ron Paul's new book call this one pretty well.
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        • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 9 months ago
          I'm convinced that most of the "crises" around the world are made-up, easily solved problems that are being used by cronies to fleece the public out of their money, just as the cabal refused to save the MN farmers, because they "needed" to rule an entire country.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 9 months ago
    Beers from down there are almost not worth drinking, but people like them ;)

    Now we need a capitalist to provide beer in exchange for land down there, and we'll have a gulch!
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  • Posted by sender47 8 years, 9 months ago
    Yeap, although I think it will be the last thing to go scarce... Without being despectful... a lot of people use rheir money to get drunk from friday afternoon, till... Monday? Most of them do not care about the situation, they live day by day, work for food and alcohol... The food is scarce... So the only thing maintaining them zombie is alcohol.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago
      Good to hear from you again, sender47.
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      • Posted by sender47 8 years, 9 months ago
        At the moment I'm in japan, so I'm no longer a direct witness... Just have my family, friends and non gov controlled media, to know. Except the hiperinflation, wich makes any money I "send" (sell it to someone at black market rate) a small fortuna for my family. Just 1 USD is more than 3 days worth wage at black market rate
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago
          I understand completely. I have taught dozens of students from Venezuela at my university that may not be able to finish because of the hyperinflation and because of Maduro's decrees.
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          • Posted by sender47 8 years, 9 months ago
            Yes, many of them depended of money being sent by their parents. Since the beginning of the year the gov has not being approving the allowed stipends to be sent through legal ways ('at 12,3 VEF per USD) The third legal market at almost 200 per USD is also a lie, Therefore they have to go to the black market that is getting near the 700 mark.
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        • Posted by khalling 8 years, 9 months ago
          Sender, why Japan? Are you studying there? Ro you have plans to go home?
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          • Posted by sender47 8 years, 9 months ago
            Yes, studying under a scholarship (there was no other way for me to study abroad)

            Always had interest for the Japanese culture, in fact national culture and management styles is my actual research here. Also I like the investigation of one of my current professors here.

            Yes I plan to go back, Venezuela is not gonna be fixed by magic/ And of course we cannot let the history repeat itself, although it has a terrible tendency to do so,
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 9 months ago
    NO BEER, NO PEACE!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVjCa...
    It is all over once they are scraping the bottom of the beer barrel... :)
    Seriously there are going to be problems when the liquor runs out. How do you keep the masses placated when the bread and circuses end? Some people get nasty when they are forced to go dry. I'm sure this is not the only shortage but this will be particularly difficult for some to swallow... er um... excuse me. :)
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 9 months ago
    Alabama Southern Baptists who rule dry counties would love this story.
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    • Posted by teri-amborn 8 years, 9 months ago
      You know, Dino Dude...
      I occasionally get into conversations with people from "dry" counties who will tell me that instead of bars on every corner, they have churches.
      I tell them that the lay-of-the-land in Wisconsin is: Bar, Church, Bar, Church, BAR, BAR, Church...
      AND after church we head to the BAR!
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 9 months ago
        During the 70's I lived in a dry county for 7 years.
        It was surrounded by four wet counties plus another dry one.
        I recall a convenience food store with at least beer located just across the county line in three different directions that required drives of 20-to-30 minutes.
        I worked for a newspaper in a town pretty much centered in that blasted county.
        Those businesses thrived, by the way. Location--location!
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