Agreed. No argument there. Great minds working together to a perfect answer! What do you think about the Congress with Presidential agreement using that system to recover unpaid student loans? (via qualifying for the current version of GI Bill education assistance). I use that as an example of something that might be possible. Wrangell of NY wanted it activated to provide an alternative to the influences of the barrios, ghettos and other such stating it helped him during the Korean War. I viewed it as an unecessary encumberence of the active military in effect a baby sitting service. So maybe the student loan repayment is not all that far fetched.

My experience with draftees and more with shake and bake whip and chill instant NCO's was not pleasant so i come back to the writings of Robert Heinlein...if its worth the effort enough will come forward. If enough do not come forward voluntarily it isn't worth the effort.'

Coupled with proper training, leading, arming and equipping and support ( pay and benefits) we get back to your original statement of not needing the draft at all. The citizen volunteer method seemed to work all right in Kuwait.

Semantics - it's still the draft other than that in complete agreement. I'm still focused on the part that says you must sign up and if called you must report for duty or....the list of fines and penalties follow.
Unfortunately I sincerely doubt the Congress etc. sees how coerced act is not valid. Nor the trouble it causes. But to reciprocate -

the rest of my duty mos was 11B*S - 5th, 7th and 8th Groups amongst others. the asterik is a rank indicator. I also spent time as a Panama Canal Zone Police Officer. I had the privilege of command as an acting Platoon Leader on many occasions and a Battalion staff officer S2/S3/S4 as an Officer, Non-commissioned. We were trained far above our regular rank. We were wasted far more than was necessary.But I did love the work.The big guy didn't bless me with a son. Still can't find a list of Navy Serial number systems. But now I know what you will say should the day ever come.

Self Appointed Censor?

That's nice. Mine was RA which means volunteered. My duty MOS was 111.1 and then 11B throughout. B9 I could find nowhere but he USAF, USMC, and USN did not come up with anything under google or wikpedia or the other search engines. Nor did USCG I went back 100 years. However it could mean a foreign country was involved. You got me on that one. The rest is just semantics and parsing. So B9? Any hints? I used to be a my country right or wrong advocate too. 24 years toting a rifle taught me to question that. But I won't belittle anyone else's service. Congress and the President(s) already have put it to use. Sign that card a young man is no longer a draftee so you are right on that score. What you become is an involuntary volunteer by accepting the situation. How they choose and whom they choose changes nothing. Just an inductee waiting for a reporting date to the induction center.

l 'Volenti non fit iniuria' i.e. A person who consents does not suffer injury. If they claim otherwise or say 'everyone does it but we thought it was meaningless 'caveat emptor' let the buyer beware. Both are legal principles. And with that I'll await the B9 mystery.

Are you really that afraid to answer the question?

Or put another way...you consider your children to be cannon fodder?

Where were your jumps?

IN EVENT OF A FUTURE DRAFT
[From Selective Service System website, April 2002: http://www.sss.gov/classif.htm]
* See http://www.sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm for SSS�s information about conscientious objector status & for more classifications
1-A Available immediately for military service
1-O Conscientious objectors opposed to both combatant & noncombatant military training & service; fulfills service obligation as a civilian alternative service worker
1-A-O Conscientious objectors opposed to training & military service requiring the use of arms; fulfills service obligation in a noncombatant position within the military
2-D Ministerial students; deferred from military service
3-A Hardship deferment; deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon their families
4-C Alien or dual national; sometimes exempt from military service
4-D Ministers of religion; exempted from military service

Which along with the lottery system can be changed by the whim of Congress for example they could add failure to pay student loans - Immediate induction.

Can't argue with that. But I believe it was since included in other Civil Rights actions. Doesn't matter. Women are not excluded by The Constitution anyway - it's a 230 year old way of looking at things. The only excuse for keeping them in second class status is thier age old use as baby factories. Which is probably whywomen keep trying to add rights but sadly not add responsibilities. One of which is getting to sign that little card at age 18 - just like the men.

So back to the question. When you are taking your son or grandson to the induction center how will you explain saying there is no draft?

When you are the first Granpa or dad to have your kid come home in a box how will you explain no draft to your wife, daughter, grandkids.

In the Gulch we deal with reality and one of the realities of life is Article One Section Eight of the Constitution. Congress gets to set al the rules for the military and military service. The Tonkin Gulf resolution took about five minutes.

Your kids and grandkidas perhaps already signed up and gave their ok at age 18

and you rely on the no wars with millions of troops or some huge world wide event?

Congress can be as selective as they want. The only restriction is age. they can go after particle beam physicists with at least a masters and eight years experience if they so choose.

But I want to hear your explanation for the inevitable explanation of your no draft belief. What ever will you tel your family? Hans Christian Andersen did it?. The rest is just quack quack ducking reality.

Here you get smacked hard for fairy tales unless you advertise them as such up front. I have been the recipient myself and a little self confession is good for the mind. That's how we improve.

The Gulch is not for everyone.

All right. give your speech or ....were you thinking Canada? That's all right. I didn't mind not having them to baby sit at all.

That's reality. Other than why the anti-war movement quit all of a sudden and left us with that monstrosity. For shame for shame along with the women's movement abandoning their sisters in the nineties. for shame for shame.

Ante up or fold. Yoda has failed you this time.

Do you know how to parse ''is''

and they all lived happily ever after until one day the Pied Piper.....legally....took their children away.

What story are you going to tell the day after?

You might tell Yoda it didn't work.

Where did you hear that fairy tale? If there is no draft why is there a draft board a selective service system and legal requirement to sign up for military conscription? And why is it that only ONLY secular progressives were asking for it to be activated? I have heard sea stories and war stories but that's the first fairy tale I've heard that ends with you got to be kidding.

then there were the join the navy learn to be a medic and work in air conditioned hospitals etc etc and found out Corpsmen from the Navy fit real well in Marine utilities

Next one. I'm signed up for Germany but it took a four year contact to do it!.. Guess what is on the way to Vietnam if you had east instead of west? they did get their 24 hours - and a pair of jungle boots.

or those that learned the E in ETS did not mean Elapsed but Estimated.

or the National Federal Guard when they learned Summer Camp and Annual Training were two entirely different things.

NEVER trust a recruiter. They will lie to you even when they don't have to.

Recruiters never went to an academy where the oath was ''will not lie, cheat , steal nor tolerate those that do.'' But their Commanders did.