That was not meant as a throw around comment. it was meant as a statement of fact and applies to every thing since DOS 1.0. Vista and the hatchet job they did on FoxPro were just prime examples.

As for the legal phraseology I have started investigations with far less probable cause. However ... to defend MS if the public want's to be fleeced and hasn't complained that much for what thirty years Caveat Emptor. My system of waiting at least three years has worked well. I'm now on W7 and have no intentions of upgrading . but I didn't pay three or four thousand for a $100 dollar product. instead I paid $160 for an acceptable product. Well we didn't agree on this one but the the rest of your posts are well worth the read!

I was on the city council one time by the simple expedient of announcing i was available for appointment. No election. Two years later we couldn't get anyone to run for Mayor. I refused to run but then put an ad in the paper stating if the votes were in my favor i would serve but I woudn't run. in the middle was my phot with a sombrero crossed bandoleers and a big mustachio drawn on my lip and with the caption Votes! i don't need no steenkin votes. The next day two others filed. But i still was on the city council. I thought about a picture of hillary attired in similar fashion but I didn't want to insult our neighbors in the other United States of....

No ....just Microsoft whic made a career out of representing their new release as the best thing since popcorn and never, not once, put a working product on the market. Woirse they took other programs like Foxpro changed the name and turned it into one of their horror stories. That hardly classifies as All. I never use MS products until they are at least three years old by which time they may have most of the Bdeta testing done. How do I know. After the miliatry and before the mrchant marine in the days of XT to 386 our store was one of their test sites sites. We put that advice on a dot matrix banner and hung it for all to see. I use others as you suggested. Firefox, Opera, Open Office to name a few. No honest developer makes the claims MS advertising does. And no honest developer takes a working program and intentionally makes it non-functional then states you should have hired a programmer to the general public. Which is exactly what MicroSoft told us. I could only include there was a pay off somewhere.Not a mere suspicion by todays standard but probable cause. Let's see Central Point Software's file management program is another example of turning success into garbage. But then I am not a programmer....I am however a veteran user with the ability to teach my customers so I was on the other side of the fence. I was also once upon a time a police officer. Conspiracy to defraud is the exact words I would write. MS programmers in Seattle were still defending Vista after consumer outrage drove it off the market.Vist wasn't wasn't anywhere near ready to sell as a working product. Never did figure out why they needed five writing programs notepad, wordpad, works, office and the DOS used after a C:\ prompt for editing.

Too much wasted time - but it's not all bad. I didn't like Mac either but that was poor business ethics.

Especially that idiotic Oregon vote by mail from out of date addresses nonsense. Fine if they want to do it at the State level up to Senators and Representatives as selected as state employed delegates to the national Congressl but not on the national offices of President and Vice President.

i have to agree with that and don't agree most states are more conservative.. the delegates would be chosen by the State Government itself for one reason and they are selected primarily from the heavily populated areas which are primarily not conservative.

In other words SOS - think chipped beef on toast.

Not anywhere in the document. Might be confusing that with the winner take all delegates to the electoral college which is another POS that needs changing.

Ask and thou shalt receive. One star and did you read the Couch Potato Poem I posted some time ago? I shall have to write a new verse or version!

Because he puts out an inferior product with each new release, gets the customer to pay for the beta testing and glitch fixing and does so repeatedly. Another name for that is conspiracy to defraud.. It's a criminal offense.it's also a RICO violation. Now quickly....donations to which half of the government party is going to keep him out of prison?

Democrat Republican.

Simple as that.

That's another one like education not being in the document and people instead of citizens for a census. The only reference to welfare is ''general welfare'' and that's in the mission statement paragraph. Nor is the welfare system general by any means. You can't give Alfie a dollar unless you take a dollar from Bertie. And if you do that takes money from C-Z where the dollar would have been spent.

More to your point it isn't a right provided though i would have to check each State's constitution to verify that.

Oregon at one time used it's head for something besides backwards beanies and offered to pay transportation and six months food and rent to anyone agreeing or applying to go elsewhere where their was employment. It was cheaper than endless welfare payments for Appalachia West. One acquaintance went to Michigan to operate heavy equipment and now is down in Florida where most of the productive Michi-ganders migrate for a big pay raise. Just by ducking Michigan's taxes.

Of course. They have an overly vested interest so it's something like automatic insider trading. Practically speaking they have a very poor track record. Thin.- very thin, I would much prefer qualified people.

Two points! However you might want to stipulate 5th grade education in what year or century. For me, my 8th grade English is now college level - maybe. Excellent. I'm convinced though many of our current congressionals would be caught short by such a stiff requirement. That's a bad thing?

I had to check that and it's true. The 16th just changed Section 9(4) regarding apportionment and enumeration or census. What it legalized is the concept that Congress could take in unequal amounts with no limits. One more point for 3. I still like to see it made history.

It's only as good as those who are selected to run the system. They are only as good as those citizens select to run the system.

Be careful what you ask for. For sure you will surely get it. BOHICA!

Excellent discussion and comments. I agree the 17th and replacing the 16th with an end user consumption tax should follow as those were the two that slid us into a socialist roader nation.

Income tax gives the power to the government and is fascist in nature.

A consumption tax gives the power to the citizens and producers of the nations wealth and gives the power to the citizens.

Government then becomes as it should always have been the temporary employees of the citizens the true source of power or what used to be called divine right 230 years ago.

Citizens, Family, Country, Government - in that order of importance.

Maybe next time around.

You already lost the bill of rights. Usurped by the Patriot Act.