is he driving? if so-where's the 10 and 2? It must be that motor does more than we thought. He looks great! I'm psyched. Kira is swooning. move over, ladies-I'm going to have to figure out this train business...
John Galt *did* give Dagny Taggart a driving tour ouf the Gulch in a convertible. But the care beloned to Midas Mulligan, who rented it out to Galt at the rate of a quarter-ounce of silver per day.
Yes, he does look good. Of course, back when I read Atlas for the first time (1978), I'd pictured Peter Graves playing him--and Chuck Connors playing Ragnar.
but...Galt is blonde. dark blonde, but blonde. Gotta say, though, the pose is definitely good.
I am so out of touch with modern "entertainment" that I don't recognize any of the names. I'm glad a have a big screen on my computer, I'm going to be playing "look up the actor" for a bit. A voyage of discovery.
Why, cause they're goofy looking? They're still men's men (man's mans?)
I left out William Holden, though I picture him as more of a Rearden type.
I pictured Alan Ladd talking to Brandon Dewilder in "Shane", I pictured George Peppard talking to Elizabeth Ashley in The Carpetbaggers, or talking to Jean Simmons in Rough Night in Jericho, Robert Taylor talking in just about anything he made, Tyrone Power talking to Maureen O'Hara in The Black Swan, Clark Gable talking to... well shit... Leslie Howard, Olivia D'Haviland, or even Vivian Leigh at the end of Gone With the Wind, and Humphrey Bogart talking to Ingrid Bergman or Claude Rains in "CasaBlanca", and translated their delivery to the John Galt speech.
Frankly, I think Sean Connery, Peter O'Toole or Charlton Heston would have been scary as Galt. Picture Connery explaining the Quickening to McLeod in "Highlander", Peter O'Toole arguing over the definition of madness in "Man of La Mancha", or disowning his sons in "The Lion in Winter"... or Heston... oh Heston... thundering away at E.G. Marshall in "The Buccaneer", or demanding his people's freedom in "The Ten Commandments", or arguing with the Pope about art in "The Agony and the Ecstasy" (playing the original Objectivist).
I do not recall any background for Galt. Cannot be Asian, would confuse, but it should confound stereotypes - the need is tall, thin, internal strength, integrity, mystery, so that is why I suggested a NorthAmerican native.
I suppose if their ethnicity was incorporated into the story. Description alone, which writers do so the reader can begin to visualize a character, should not over-power the narrative of the story. Some of Rand's main descriptor's are to physically embody human traits. Which you could do with any ethnicity-like corpulent and beady eyes for example. The only other one (francisco is francisco) I can see making a case for keeping the ethnicity for and even this character I could see changing is Ragnar. I say this because Rand had a romantic notion of vikings and Ragnar fits that description. My point is blonde/brunette-who cares? I can't even remember what color hair Dagny and Dominique had. I pictured Dagny with dark hair and Dominique with blond hair.
as a new writer, I know that I wanted to give as little as possible-but it still ended up including hair and eye color and build. Others seem to have paid more attention to Rand's physical descriptions more than I did-outside of those descriptions which conveyed attitude-like standing erect or pinched mouth-that kind of thing. So hair/eye color/ethnicity to me aren't important in making a movie unless unless the setting is period-which AS is not. In PoJ we had one character, the reporter, described as eastern ethnicity-Indian and there were some story points that related back to her ethnicity-just like Francisco and Ragnar do. But everyone else-
in the earliest draft of my first novel, i didn't include any physical descriptions for my protagonist. my intention was to step out of the way and have the reader place anyone, including themselves, into the role. i found that the lack of guidance made most people uncomfortable. i wasn't expecting them to be so bothered, but the piece was said to be too "experimental" and "literary". the literary tag didn't bother me, but i didn't enjoy making the reader squirm for the wrong reason. on the other hand, classical writers described every little thing. i don't think modern writers, except those already super accomplished (Chabon) and others that write literary novels, can get away with this anymore. a balance needs to be struck. i think you did a good job with your thriller. i wished I had gotten a bit more description of rangar in the first chapter, but the setting descriptions worked very well. i also really liked that you guided the reader as to the reporter’s ethnicity. when I read that, her character really came alive in my mind’s eye.
i’ve read some articles criticizing Rand’s use of description. i was wondering what kind of conversations she had with her editor. it turns out her editor didn’t like her style, either, and worked with her because she paid the bills. personally, i like the way her novels were written. they’re unique because they don’t come from a native english speaker, and she had to work hard to get across her vision of a character or place without devoting ten pages to each. she had to learn to be succinct and keep only what was important. for this reason, i paid a lot attention to what she did leave in the novel. i imagine that since she said ragnar is blonde and blue-eyed, then it’s important the reader see him that way, too, for whatever reason. i can just imagine someone walking up to Rand and saying, “ragnar? oh, yeah, that short, dark-skinned guy with the brown eyes. if he’s a pirate, why doesn’t he say, ‘arrrrgh’?” the rand in my head (the wide-eyed one I created in my bitstrip pieces) would yell something about words having precise meanings and bitch slap the person. that’s probably not what would have happened in real life, though…
>Didn't she take the name Galt from some hero she saw in a movie or read about?
Possibly.
There's a pro-capitalism book from 1922 titled "The Driver" by Garet Garrett, in which the lead character is a shadowy speculator named Henry Galt, who becomes a successful railroad magnate. While performing his financial wizardry away from the public eye, people ask one another, "Who is Henry Galt?"
Polaha is OK for Galt, but he lacks what I consider the most important quality: a rich, compelling voice. If they're going to put more than 5 minutes of The Speech into the movie, the voice delivering it has to grab hold of the audience and jam them in their seats.
Cause y'all are going to be doing what you're doing; going on about how great this latest cast screwup is. Without the movies, half the raison d'etre for this place is gone.
And that you "got through ASII Dagny" is more an indictment of your character than mine. Samantha Mathis portrayed a woman trying desperately to save a family business that meant something to her other than dollars and cents. I bet it made Rand spin in her grave.
I could picture Grant Bowler working his way up to build his own steel empire... just barely. Beghe made it *easy* to believe; a man's man. Now they want to put that... dork in the role? I find it insulting.
How would you have felt about ASp2 had they cast Harvey Firestein as Dagny?
And I admit, my distaste for him is tainted by Northern Exposure, where I couldn't stand him (although I could stand Janine Turner's character even less).
yes but she is a hot conservative. I trust them until I get a chance to verify. The movies bring people through the door through the power of the words. even if you think some of it isn't great movie making. But here, well HERE is where our work begins...
Who's a hot conservative? Not Mathis; she went on to portray half of a lesbian pair in a tv show. Janine Turner a hot conservative? Possible. Probably more of a libertarian.
If you really want Rand's work to influence the country, we don't need this... we need an "Avatar" where the capitalists are the heroes.
I'm not going to go to the trouble of looking for the bracelet, again, so I can know who is who in the cast. I'll just wait for AS:TAS.
I never pitied Lillian; I played devils advocate when I found too many on here willing to "okay" Rearden's adultery simply because his wife was a bitch. Lillian as portrayed by Kim Rhodes was a powerful predator, at home in her environment, not a simpering stereotype as put forward by that ugly tomboy.
What's the bracelet got to do with it? Did you happen to even watch the opening of part 2? See, there's this really hot blond woman flying this jet... and until you see the Rearden metal bracelet from the first movie on her wrist, you don't know that she's Dagny.
Yes, he does look good. Of course, back when I read Atlas for the first time (1978), I'd pictured Peter Graves playing him--and Chuck Connors playing Ragnar.
Dagny Taggart: Faye Dunaway
The Wet Nurse: Jimmy Stewart
Robert Stadler, PhD: Claude Rains
Mr. Thompson: John Fiedler
Wesley Mouch: Fred MacMurray
Floyd Ferris, PhD: Peter Cushing
Gotta say, though, the pose is definitely good.
I am so out of touch with modern "entertainment" that I don't recognize any of the names. I'm glad a have a big screen on my computer, I'm going to be playing "look up the actor" for a bit. A voyage of discovery.
I applaud the change in cast, again.
I left out William Holden, though I picture him as more of a Rearden type.
I pictured Alan Ladd talking to Brandon Dewilder in "Shane", I pictured George Peppard talking to Elizabeth Ashley in The Carpetbaggers, or talking to Jean Simmons in Rough Night in Jericho, Robert Taylor talking in just about anything he made, Tyrone Power talking to Maureen O'Hara in The Black Swan, Clark Gable talking to... well shit... Leslie Howard, Olivia D'Haviland, or even Vivian Leigh at the end of Gone With the Wind, and Humphrey Bogart talking to Ingrid Bergman or Claude Rains in "CasaBlanca", and translated their delivery to the John Galt speech.
Frankly, I think Sean Connery, Peter O'Toole or Charlton Heston would have been scary as Galt.
Picture Connery explaining the Quickening to McLeod in "Highlander", Peter O'Toole arguing over the definition of madness in "Man of La Mancha", or disowning his sons in "The Lion in Winter"... or Heston... oh Heston... thundering away at E.G. Marshall in "The Buccaneer", or demanding his people's freedom in "The Ten Commandments", or arguing with the Pope about art in "The Agony and the Ecstasy" (playing the original Objectivist).
Cannot be Asian, would confuse, but it should confound stereotypes - the need is tall, thin, internal strength, integrity, mystery, so that is why I suggested a NorthAmerican native.
i’ve read some articles criticizing Rand’s use of description. i was wondering what kind of conversations she had with her editor. it turns out her editor didn’t like her style, either, and worked with her because she paid the bills. personally, i like the way her novels were written. they’re unique because they don’t come from a native english speaker, and she had to work hard to get across her vision of a character or place without devoting ten pages to each. she had to learn to be succinct and keep only what was important. for this reason, i paid a lot attention to what she did leave in the novel. i imagine that since she said ragnar is blonde and blue-eyed, then it’s important the reader see him that way, too, for whatever reason. i can just imagine someone walking up to Rand and saying, “ragnar? oh, yeah, that short, dark-skinned guy with the brown eyes. if he’s a pirate, why doesn’t he say, ‘arrrrgh’?” the rand in my head (the wide-eyed one I created in my bitstrip pieces) would yell something about words having precise meanings and bitch slap the person. that’s probably not what would have happened in real life, though…
Possibly.
There's a pro-capitalism book from 1922 titled "The Driver" by Garet Garrett, in which the lead character is a shadowy speculator named Henry Galt, who becomes a successful railroad magnate. While performing his financial wizardry away from the public eye, people ask one another, "Who is Henry Galt?"
See:
http://archive.mises.org/6985/who-is-hen...
(It's available, I think, as a free PDF download, as well as an mp3 audio-book. It might be on the Mises site.)
And that you "got through ASII Dagny" is more an indictment of your character than mine. Samantha Mathis portrayed a woman trying desperately to save a family business that meant something to her other than dollars and cents. I bet it made Rand spin in her grave.
I could picture Grant Bowler working his way up to build his own steel empire... just barely. Beghe made it *easy* to believe; a man's man. Now they want to put that... dork in the role? I find it insulting.
How would you have felt about ASp2 had they cast Harvey Firestein as Dagny?
And I admit, my distaste for him is tainted by Northern Exposure, where I couldn't stand him (although I could stand Janine Turner's character even less).
Janine Turner a hot conservative? Possible. Probably more of a libertarian.
If you really want Rand's work to influence the country, we don't need this... we need an "Avatar" where the capitalists are the heroes.
I'm not going to go to the trouble of looking for the bracelet, again, so I can know who is who in the cast. I'll just wait for AS:TAS.
Lillian as portrayed by Kim Rhodes was a powerful predator, at home in her environment, not a simpering stereotype as put forward by that ugly tomboy.
What's the bracelet got to do with it? Did you happen to even watch the opening of part 2? See, there's this really hot blond woman flying this jet... and until you see the Rearden metal bracelet from the first movie on her wrist, you don't know that she's Dagny.