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  • Posted by  $  blarman 4 years, 3 months ago
    What Obama is really hoping to do here is to control all of the remaining voting blocs. If he can force communities to "diversify" and bring in people on welfare, etc., he can dilute the strong conservative voting areas and potentially force close races in many Senate and House races which have traditionally been a lock for Republicans.

    Now this is also a direct attack on freedom of association rights and property rights as well. You can rest assured that if this goes unchallenged, you can be sure that this country has completed its slide into socialism and totalitarianism is only a few short years away.
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 4 years, 3 months ago
      It should also be noted that the last to SCOTUS cases regarding Obamacare have basically given carte blanche to federal bureaucracies to reinterpret their own charters and rules.
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    • Posted by Abaco 4 years, 3 months ago
      I have absolutely no doubt that we will be in a socialist/totalitarian system within a few years. As I've said here several times - living here in California I can see the beast rearing its ugly head as it claws it's way into the daylight...only to head east soon and cover the land in a swath of misery.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 4 years, 3 months ago
        Agreed, Abaco. Except, living in the East, I see the beast here plainly. Perhaps East and West beasts are male and female of the same evil species and their spawn will devour what's left of any freedom remaining.
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        • Posted by Abaco 4 years, 3 months ago
          Here in California we have now handed over our children. But, that was ok because not everybody had children. Now, similar laws are being proposed for adults...comply or lose your right to have a job. I thought they'd tie compliance to the right to travel but I guessed wrong - it will be tied to your right to work and provide for your family.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 4 years, 3 months ago
    I sincerely hope that this will be a tipping point and back-fire on them.

    The only way HUD can enforce this is if you take their money.
    This seems to be a major mechanism by which the Fed forces its whim on us all locally.

    With some effort and foresight, this move by the Beltway Marxists could trigger a "Divest DC" movement.

    Stop taking their money, then tell them to pound sand.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago
      Couldn't agree more, but history is definitely not on our side (school lunch program, Race to the top, etc.).

      It sickens me that no one in leadership is fighting this.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 4 years, 3 months ago
        How would you fight it?

        The bulk of the people have swallowed the "government" as the ultimate authority on everything. Most with a high level of blind confidence in the government.

        /Sarcasm I mean how else are we going take care of the poor, educate those who do not want education and house those unwilling to pay for housing. /Sarcasm off.

        The problem we face is the minds of men have been turned off by a continuous stream of social and psychological conditioning to control the minds of the average person. When the authority that is respected is the same one that is trying to destroy you with greater good theory and the bulk of society has bought off on it. Their is only two ways to address it.

        The first choice is to break the mind washing that has been done for the last 100 years.

        I think we are to late for that largely because people that understand that one must pay for one self cannot come together on that principle.

        The only other thing left is force. If someone were to fight it in any other way they will fail because we are a democracy and public sentiment is not with us.
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        • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago
          I don't know that we can turn it back... the tipping point may have already occurred.

          Even when we send a clear message with our votes, leadership ignores us and plays footsy with the socialists.

          Work hard, make as much money as you can, and then go ex-pat.
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 4 years, 3 months ago
            I tend to agree. I also tend to plan for the worst (no turning back) and hope for the best, but I do not really believe the best will occur at this point.

            I became convinced of that when Obama got a second term. As a nation we voted for free rides and government control.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 4 years, 3 months ago
          excellent, up until "The only other thing left is force. If someone were to fight it in any other way they will fail because we are a democracy and public sentiment is not with us."
          We are GOVERNed, by Force, per the edicts of a mindless majority.

          A "revolution" against the Rulers who control everything and who "own" all the big bombs, guns, warships, fighters, and now drones would be an exercise in futility. Throughout history, revolutions have not ended government by force, but merely replaced bad rulers for other rulers.

          We might either DISSOLVE this government, but far more likely is the coming Great Global Collapse. At that time governments-all will be out of business, and at last real people will make their own choices, at least until too many people (progressive types) attempt to form yet another set of Rulership, because Collectivism can survive and exist only without a tool for Forcing everyone!
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 4 years, 3 months ago
            Well it worked 200 years ago and it was a bunch of nobodies against the largest military force in the world. I do agree it unlikely to happen that way as the vast majority end differently.

            When I say force, I do not limit it to a military action. As a very unlikely example, if you could get say 40% of all commerce in the US to refuse to pay taxes of any kind the outcome would be interesting to say the least. It would be a type of strike by people and business. Its to many people to toss in Jail and to widespread to ignore. The loss in revenue would cause the government to collapse financially very quickly and if the 40% were well prepared to take advantage of that collapse they would have the power to make broad and sweeping changed, perhaps to much power.

            Point is there are other ways to fight back. Most of them require enough people behind it to tip the balance. If we simply wait the catalyst for such an event will occur on its own, but if people with sound rational approach to fiscal and social polices are not ready to take advantage of that opportunity it will still just make things worse.
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            • Posted by mccannon01 4 years, 3 months ago
              Don't need 40%. All you need is a small cadre of dedicated individuals that have the ability to perform a surgical strike on the money flow. All that military hardware means nothing if the military isn't going to get paid and there is no stolen wealth to feed the machine.
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              • Posted by XenokRoy 4 years, 3 months ago
                probably true.

                I do not have those skills, but I see stopping the flow of money to the fed, and to a lessor extent the states as real controllable possibility.
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  • Posted by  $  jlc 4 years, 3 months ago
    If wiggys is correct about how this will work, it will resolve itself because people are more portable than buildings. The resolution will not be without significant cost to the affluent neighborhoods, but this is what I would see happening if the plan wiggys describes is implemented and then 'everything is left alone':

    The low rent towers will be built in good neighborhoods. Crime will increase; property values will go down. The people who own adjacent properties will sell their homes as soon as their foresight and wisdom dictates. They will move to some neighborhood somewhere there is not a low income intrusion.

    Either the place they move to will have protection against forcible low income building projects or it will not: if the former, then new 'good neighborhoods will form'; if the latter, repeat the sequence.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 3 months ago
    Under the Obama Administration we are subject to the whims of an incipient dictator. One of the problems, as I see it, is that we voted a change in congress, and what have these super conservatives done besides run for president? They seem to have their heads up their respective asses or are taking yoga so that they can master the technique.
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  • Posted by jimslag 4 years, 3 months ago
    I live in a small rural community (Clovis, NM) and it's housing policy is based on economic means. The poorer or lower income people live in trailer parks on the outskirts of the city. The middle class or upper low income live in the older section of town. The upper middle and upper economic class lives in the north and north eastern parts of the city where the newer houses are being built. It is not divided by ethnicity but by your income. This is a small city based on agriculture and transportation (train). The city was formed due the train development back in the late 1800's to early 1900's. So the old money was related to the railroad people and they built the nice houses away from the tracks, so their houses were on the north side of town and were big and built from brick. The south side of the tracks was the shacks and low income area, a lot of farm workers lived in the area and it still has several areas that are trailer parks and low income housing. I live south but I am outside the city in the county and have acreage with a nice house on it. I was attracted by the low prices and large lots. I could afford a bigger house but why waste money on what I don't need. A lot of city and county employees live out here with some retirees mixed in across several ethnic and economic class levels. I think we don't need these rules as we are already there and we don't need some social activist from Chicago or DC messing with our community. How about working on bringing jobs to economically stressed areas so people can afford better housing? How about getting rid of regulations that make it harder for people to raise their economic means to afford better housing? All this started well before O and will continue as long as DC keeps trying to regulate our way of life.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 4 years, 3 months ago
    I like the "diversification" feature: I am a white male who works for a living. That should make me eligible for the White House - for the sake of diversity!
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  • Posted by jhthurman 4 years, 3 months ago
    Given the total lack of oversight by SCOTUS on the unconstitutional bills passed over the last several decades, I'd say no, there's apparently no limit to what Washington thinks it can do and get away with.

    So the real question is: Had enough yet? Revolution anyone? Because the people in power will never willingly relinquish it and be bound by the Constitution...never.
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  • Posted by mccwho 4 years, 3 months ago
    So how are they going to control the communities??

    They would have to deny someone the right to live there in order to give that house to someone else. result - Government endorsed discrimination.

    So if it's a real expensive house how can they afford it? Government grant? How is that fair to the people that had to actually work hard to earn the money, all of the money, themselves to live in the neighboring houses?

    Then what about taxes, and maintenance cost. Expensive houses usually have other equally high cost things associated with them. Will the government pay those to? Thus forcing some people to have to earn it while giving it for free to others.

    Now…how's that equality???
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  • Posted by vido 4 years, 3 months ago
    If the federal govt. begins to be an entity which needs to force the people, then it has no more legitimacy and it is the duty of the people to rise and revolt against it.
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  • Posted by rbunce 4 years, 3 months ago
    Until the USSC does their job and reign in the Federal powers to those strictly authorized in the Constitution... no... or the voters vote better.
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  • Posted by wiggys 4 years, 3 months ago
    I just read the headlines about the usa signing the agreement with iran. and if the congress balks 0 will veto the balk. so under 0 the government is doing more against the will of the people. 0 has a hammer and nails and he is using them willie nillie to hammer the cover of the coffin of the usa shut as quickly as possible. and if the congress were too over turn a veto they will be called racists. 0 sure knows how to get the best out of people. I really wonder how many white people outside the south have become racists, as I know having lived in the south there are many more than you can imagine if you never lived there.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 4 years, 3 months ago
    No. There isn't. That's why we have...no, had....a Constitution. Want to fix that? you need the amendments process see http://www.TheSocietyProject.org
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    • Posted by  $  jlc 4 years, 3 months ago
      I looked at the linked site (at work - so just scanned it) and I gather that you are a proponent of a series of Constitutional Amendments to rectify what is wrong with the gov. I am too...but this site has made me aware how difficult it would be to screen out the liberals from the process. Liberals are currently more numerous, better entrenched in the educational system, and better organized than Conservatives and Libertarians are pretty chaotic.

      So I theoretically agree with you, but I cannot connect the dots to 'get there'.

      Jan
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      • Posted by LarryHeart 4 years, 3 months ago
        The solution has to appeal to Liberals too. The real problem will be the entrenched power of the Political Parties. Political Parties are not compatible with the original Constitution. They will not want to be eliminated. But we must. Or make them irrelevant through new technology putting the power back in the hands of the voters.
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        • Posted by  $  jlc 4 years, 3 months ago
          The solution has to work for Liberals and Conservatives alike, but it is a topic for night terrors to think of many of the intelligent and well-intentioned liberals I know re-writing the Constitution. They would turn the US into an explicitly socialist country because they want to take care of everybody.

          So the result of pleasing liberals by leveling the playing field with respect to race and gender (as well as religion) and by making the gov butt out of people's private lives is something that we have in common with them. Encoding in stone the right of the gov to absorb 90% of everyone's income and mandate urban mini-homes to provide uniform 'little boxes' is where I fear it would go.

          This makes me prefer the current flawed document to a re-write...because you are correct: Liberals will have as much a right to write it their way as we do to write it ours. In a Better World, where our culture were not so dominantly socialistic, a re-write would be an excellent solution.

          Jan
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          • Posted by LarryHeart 4 years, 3 months ago
            Yes you are correct about the current culture. No amendments should be proposed at this time.

            Amendments are the last step after educating the populace to the reason why we need the ones proposed in the Society Project. If the people and the State buy in then and only then are the amendments proposed to correct and cement the better system.
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  • Posted by woodlema 4 years, 3 months ago
    The Government can only force you to do what you let them force you to do.

    That does not mean they will not react and punish you, but capitulation is your choice.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago
      True, there is a choice. But, when the choice is prison or family, it's not much of a choice.
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      • Posted by woodlema 4 years, 3 months ago
        Depends on how strong your personal convictions are, doesn't it?
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        • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago
          It's not a matter of convictions... entering a gunfight with a knife isn't brave, it's suicidal.
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          • Posted by woodlema 4 years, 3 months ago
            Tell that to the Japanese Kamakazi, and the Islamists.

            Suicidal is still very strong conviction of belief.
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            • Posted by  $  jlc 4 years, 3 months ago
              But not where I want to be. AmericanGreatness did not say that suicide was not 'a choice', but that it's 'not much of a choice'.

              Jan
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            • Posted by XenokRoy 4 years, 3 months ago
              I would not call it committed, I would call it desperation. Committed would be to work towards success, not an exit from hell on earth. That is the cowards way out. Working towards the removal of hell on earth is committed.

              I prefer not to fight a battle I have not a chance of winning. If I am ever going to sign a document that puts a noose around my neck should I fail there must be a chance to win.

              I see a chance to win, and I would jump off my ship, sink it so I have no way turn back and go forward to win and change it. I do not see that route as an option right now, but I am looking for it.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 3 months ago
    Of course the government can force whatever they want to on you. Plus, in the famous words of Rearden in the movie, "The government taxes what it wants and taxes the rest." Don't expect either faction (GOP or Dem) of the Big Government Party to do anything but protect their own power.
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  • Posted by wiggys 4 years, 3 months ago
    I just heard and read about this today.
    SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES AS THE EXAMPLE I HEARD 50 MILLION TO A CITY WITH A 10 MILLION DOLLAR DEBT. THEY PAY OF THE DEBT AND HAVE 40 MILLION TO BUILD LOW INCOME HOUSING IN THE FORM OF SAY 6 STORY BUILDINGS. THEN THEY MOVE IN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LOW INCOME BUT NO INCOME EXCEPT THEY ARE GETTING WELFARE SO THE GOVERNMENT IS GETTING BACK SOME OF THE WELFARE MONIES GIVEN OUT. THEN OF COURSE THE "PROJECT" AS THEY WERE CALLED IN NYC AND CHICAGO (CABRINI) AND THEY TURN TO S--- AS WE KNOW THEY WILL. BUT 0 WILL HAVE HIS CUSTOMARY S--- EATING GRIN AS USUAL. WILL IT BE STOPPED WHO KNOWS BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO FORCE ANYTHING ON US THEY WHO EVER THEY ARE WANT. I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I KNOW ONCE IT DOES GET GOING IT WILL NOT BE STOPPED. MORE NAILS IN THE COFFIN OF THE USA AND NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ELECTED WILL STAND UP AND SAY IT IS TIME TO TELL 0 AND HIS CROWD TO F--- OFF.
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  • Posted by lnpuco 4 years, 3 months ago
    The as I see it, is that a FEW people see the writing on the wall, but it truly goes nowhere, but the majority wants to keep the status quo, and than complain, albeit it is always too late...and than the sh-- hits the fan, and they wonder WHY!
    GO FIGURE!
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