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When will we finally say "enough"

Posted by MelissaA 8 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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The list of offences against our freedoms is growing longer and longer, when are we going to finally say "NO" and stand up for ourselves?

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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. Originally, voting was only for property owners, with the rationale being that they were the ones who paid the most in taxes and were the most likely to be negatively affected by government attempts at social welfare programs. I think that if property ownership were the key to voting, we'd have a lot fewer progressives in office and welfare programs including housing, etc., would dry up very quickly.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree with you but would add. There was never a way to get a majority of all populace to vote for things that are reasonable. This is one the reasons Montesquieu listed for democracy being the worst form of government.

    We would need to start over with voting being a privileged reserved for those that have a share in the country. That privilege was tied to land ownership originally and was the primary reason for the drive of women suffrage movement as far as voting goes, to remove the land ownership requirement.

    Without voting being viewed as a privilege that is to be earned in some way that shows your a stake holder in the country we would be right back where we 100 years after starting over.

    That is the main difference in the definition of a republic verses a representative democracy and it is a key difference between government that will last, and government that will destroy itself and its people over time.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 10 months ago
    Welcome Melissa.

    To answer your qeustion I do not know.

    What it took in colonial America was for the illusion of self government to rendered asunder by the King disbanding the Burgesses (basically an elected congress that ran a state in combination with a king appointed governor) because Americans were pissed off about 15 new taxes (1% tax on 15 items). When the Burgesses were reinstated all taxes but one were removed. The one was to send a message on who was really in control it was the tax on Tea.

    The equivalent today would be if the president used executive power to effectively dissolve congress and then re-established congress with a new something put in place. The nuts are not dumb and have learned from history. They will not do this so that it is obvious. It has been obfuscated out of view. It has all ready happened with president Obama but unlike colonial times people are to blind to even realize it and the reigning authority to wise to openly show or admit it.

    Until the public at large realizes that we largely live in a fascist dictatorship of regulators nothing will change.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago
    I've concluded that the only way to get America back on track is to start over. There's simply no way to influence enough of America to vote for change - the inertia of the looters is too great at this point. Unfortunately, I think that our country is headed for a massive economic meltdown - currently being pooh-poohed by many of the stock analysts, etc. After that happens the people will be willing to listen because those who will go first are those dependent on the state.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 10 months ago
    Never. I'll go Galt before I stand up anymore...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 10 months ago
    The problem with saying, "Enough", is figuring out what to do after that. To where does one go to avoid looting statists, and yet not be a total hermit?
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt that they would secede. "The threat is mightier than the execution." Were I them, I would make it evident that I would be able to secede and use that as a lever to dispense with a lot of the Federal laws that are fettering their economy.

    Remaining part of the US, but becoming a huge Free Industrial Zone would attract lots more companies to move there, raising the Texas economy even more.

    Jan
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes but if we voted bush out after only one term and the Obama out after one term. And Harry Reid and Nancy pelvis I out after one term we wouldn't have obsmacare !
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  • Posted by H6163741 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is easier to cave than to stand up for what is right. Reminds me of Dr. Stadler's panacea, "What can you do when you have to deal with people?"
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  • Posted by H6163741 8 years, 10 months ago
    I'm thankful to Donald Trump for calling attention to some of the real issues, as opposed to LGBT, Confederate flag, Redskins... Ad nauseum.
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  • Posted by H6163741 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We've been researching jobs in Texas for months now. In the back of my mind, I'm afraid they'll secede before we have a chance to get in.
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  • Posted by Joy1inchrist 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and ... it was just 2012 when I met Gary Johnson, Libertarian presidential candidate, at Brave New Books in Austin! Small world, eh?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    WE already know that we got a bad one. Theres a chance the next one will be better or worse, but its at least NOT the bad one we have and if its worse, it will only be there for 1 term..
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 10 months ago
    Never. We have waited too long. At least this is true of most people including many we call friends. What is the point of "NO" if it only brings your immediate destruction or spending many years in a cage?

    Most people will "go along to get along" and pretend all is right with the world except for this or that group of "whiny" "extremists". They will convince themselves it is so. The number of people that really understand freedom seems to get smaller by the year. The number that can defend it with any philosophical depth is decreasing even more rapidly.

    The poop is about to hit the whirling blades. In the resulting chaos I really don't think freedom is going to be what replaces the largely anti-freedom with freedom veneer of today.

    I hope I am wrong but I don't think that I am.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 8 years, 10 months ago
    Melissa, a lot of us have said enough, the last three elections proved it - it also proved we are faced with a treasonous media that supports a rogue administration, congress and judicial branch. We made the mess, it will fall to us to clean it up. It will have to be done district by district, representative by representative. They fear only the loss of power, we must use that tool. http://4thestatemedia.com/?p=438
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 10 months ago
    I've concluded that the reasons humans have survived as long as 'we' have is because we're good at solving problems and challenges.

    The bad news is that most 'solutions' are created only after some situation becomes threatening ENOUGH or unbearable Enough to move enough humans 'off the dime' to react and DO something to reverse the trend.

    So until enough people, citizens, humans have the light go on in their heads that 'something is wrong and really NOT good for us, individually OR as a species, the shit will continue to hit the fan.

    Example, currently: I'm beginning to see inklings that some Muslims are beginning to get pissed off AT ISIS/ISIL for the shit they're putting down... screwing up other groups' feelings about Muslims, so the REAL 'peaceful' ones are getting tarred with the same brush.

    I believe(d) that, until that happened, little 'the rest of us' could do would make any difference.

    Look at any and all 'atrocities' in history, from good old Adolph to Boko Haram... They just keep on a-truckin' until enough people get together and say "ENOUGH, ALREADY!"

    And then they get put down like mad dogs.

    ......That's 'when.'
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem with that is that you might get even worse voted in. You might get another !@#$#@! Obama.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It used to be a good country. I dont agree with that now. Not to say that there is another better one that you can live openly in and have your rights respected. In the USA now you have to live quietly and basically hope to avoid government attention. I feel better now when police and other government representatives are NOT around.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My loyalties are with the federal union. It might be helpful to think about alternatives such as an independent Texas or dividing California, in the same sense as it might be interesting to consider a grand federal union with Mexico and Canada. However, science fiction aside, the federal union we actually do have is the best arrangement we know. For all of its flaws and foibles, nothing better has been suggested. Do you know the history of the Ionian Confederation? The founders of our republic did.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have been toying with the idea of moving to the area just west of Austin. (I want to get past the more humid climate zone that is around Austin.)

    I do not particularly want to move to Texas - I love California, but the more I am around the People's Republic of CA, the more difficult it is for me to deal with that aspect of the local culture here.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember what happened in AS Quit supporting them and quit enabling them as much as is possible to your situation. for sure don't vote for any Democrat or Republican. if they were worth anything they wouldn't be a Democrat nor a Republican. When the parade comes by turn your back.

    We've talked about a number of ways. One is hit the grass roots level. If you don't have recall get it. if you do have recall use it. If you have the initiative start a petition for cleaning up campaign financing by dirty money. An easy one is a law that states "Those who may not vote may not contribute." and "Money contributed in the geo-political area must be spent that area and may not be spent in any othere area." think it through. it lets you contribute money, time, material to every candidate or position on your precinct ballot or in iyour precincts voters pamphlet. Does not deny free speech but does not deny paid for activities by outsiders. So to contribute you must be registered. but you don't have to vote. Something just tht simple. Would it pass? Probably not but it would get publicity.Then when George and his check book show up picket ...His motto is summed up . i have the right without explanation to buy all your rights without exception. In public meeting see if your moderator will not let them get by with failing to answer a question. If they refuse start quacking" as they duck out. If they set up a campaign booth or hq picket and quack. It's guerrilla warfare. Target any precinct of the 110,000 where you can do that kind of damage. they wil leither make fools of themselves or turn tail and run.
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