OMG! The WH Squatter's dictatorship has
been planned ever since his Re-election. Why
the surprise now? The only surprise would be
if it DIDN'T happen. Sadly, America has been
asleep at the wheel for tooooooo long.

Hello LS,
Offensive. Symbolism over substance and political correctness run amok. Out of context history, cherry picked factoids designed to destroy entire legacies for satisfaction of the brainless.
Regards,
O.A.

The United States is either a nation, or it is not.
When the Civil War began, the 13th Amendment
had not yet been passed; the southern states ap-
parently feared it would be. "What is freedom to a
nation, but freedom to the individuals in it?"-(Har-
riet Beecher Stowe).-- If the national government
is going to give zero protection to the individual
rights of the people in the states which make it
up, it really isn't good for anything, and doesn't
amount to much.
---The states had ratified the Constitution; they
had, in so doing, ratified the process of amend-
ment; now the Southern States wanted to pull
out so that they wouldn't have to go by it, in the
event of an anticipated change. Treason, in
my book.

OOOOO K! Move the Jefferson Memorial to Virgina where it and he can be appreciated; it was against Virgina law to sell or free slaves even if they were inherited, which was the case here. He taught them skills, gave them business to run and jobs to profit from. If they ran away he did not chase them. Aside from those things he gave America countless values to live by and to contemplate.
As for washington dc? Let's rename it Gitmo and put a mile high barb wire fence around it!

Vampire bats for larger brains would have better taste.

Let me toss out a question...

Both of my grandfathers came over from the other side...one from Germany, the other from Wales, both prior to WW I. I think it's a fair observation to say that neither of the, hopped on a leaky old boat and crossed the Atlantic because things were going so well in the Old Country. (One settled in western Pennsylvania where he was a coal miner, living in company housing, buying everything at the company store, paid with company scrip...effectively, a slave himself.). My question is this: why do people who were never slaves themselves think that I, who have never owned a slave (neither I nor any of my progenitors) own them anything whatsoever? An even bigger question is why is THIS question never even asked in the hallowed halls of government?

DC has reverted back to what it was originally built upon. Mostly swamp and lowlands, as I understand it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all. I'm so relieved to know that I am not the only one who thinks that there is martial law in our immediate future. I've had these thoughts since the first election of the "o".
And its just gotten worse since then. All moves by this administration seems to be pointing in that direction.

That could be the subject of a whole 'nother thread, Belle.

The United States was conceived as an alliance of several sovereign states, the 'national' government being responsible for interstate commerce, interstate communication and national defense. Everything else was the providence of the particular states. This was amply laid out in the enumerated powers clause. So when the Union gave itself authority over the inner workings of the southern states, it had in the view of the Confederacy, committed treason against the nation as defined by the Constitution. So it could be effectively argued that the Union were the traitors.

Considering DC it will probably be mosquitos.

This is the type of thought that happens when reason, reality and boundaries are eliminated from childhood upbringing.
Processing thought takes some effort.
We live in a society where our pop culture teaches that changing a name or a word recreates reality. ("You didn't build that...")
Reminds me of the ostrich that hides it's head in the sand. Nothing good can happen when your defenses consist of ignoring reality.

There should be NO rewriting of history. Whatever happened, happened. Its a slippery slope, and in the end, pretty much ALL of history should be eliminated. The Union army did a LOT of bad stuff with the indians, the mexicans, the mormons, etc. Although we have this consititution, the country didnt follow it very closely when it was taking over all the land from atlantic to pacific oceans.

How about Che Guavera D.C.
Or perhaps Cesar Chavez D.C.
Or maybe Mao-Tse Dung D.C.
Oh, wait, I've got it -- Benedict Arnold City D.C.
Or you could divide it into four sections and name each section with one of the above. Then, America haters who disparage the country of their birth can feel proud of an exhibition of some of those who have shown the opposite of what America once stood for.

That Jefferson quote is so applicable during this so-called Information Age filled with Watter's World know-nothing airheads and their electronic social and gamer toys.

best idea so far about the chiggers... also spiders scorpions etc lol... but really ... to quote Jefferson " if a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state a civilization, it expects what never has been or ever will be.."

tragic it is.

I would keep Jefferson's statue, also the Washing-
ton Monument; also the name of the nation's capi-
tal (although if George Washington could see what
is going on in it, he might very well want his name
taken off of it himself). But I do not think the
government should give official honor to Con-
federate traitors who fought against this coun-
try, sentimental attachments to the "Lost
Cause" to the contrary notwithstanding.

Just about the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

The writers of the Constitution are being put in the same bag with mass murderers? Why can't we just fight for the truth? Humans make mistakes, sometimes they are a product if the times they live in, sometimes they rise above tyranny and fight for freedom...to the death. Let's honor the good and the important accomplishments, not forgetting the wrongs in the process, but not throwing the good baby out with the dirty bath water in attempt to forget a painful, yet VERY important, past. I see all if this as a power grab...and a nanny nanny boo boo poke in the eye.

I won't argue your thesis. I don't find it "incredible" that what you wrote is no joke. I find it believable--and tragic.

in the event you think I was making a joke I was not. it is very very obvious that every action taken by government results in failure so it is imperative to get government out of everything. but that action is NOT ever going to happen until the country is completely fractured and the nation becomes more than three all independent of each other. it is time you got used to the fact that we are failing because the government is matter of fact taking over every aspect of the lives of the citizens and the massive bulk of them are like lemming running to the sea.

Strugatsky, I was not defending Jefferson Davis.
I'd just as soon take his statue down and put it in
a museum. Thomas Jefferson was not Jefferson
Davis. (And if, incidentally, blacks could also own
slaves, that does not make slavery any better).

As to history, Richard Speck was part of
our history. So was the Boston Strangler. Also
Al Capone. Does that mean we should erect
heroic statues to them?

I think the whole CBF and getting rid of any mention of the Civil War in public is squelching free speech and it would be eliminating discussion. What if in 100 years, they want to eliminate all of the Civil Rights heroes statues and replace them with Gay Rights heroes (for example). We need to keep our past front and center in this country because as it is, most of our youth don't have a clue even about current events, much less our history..

But Jefferson Davis also fought for the right of Blacks to own slaves (over 3,000 of them did). What a sticky, annoying fact. Oh well, let's just erase and forget it...

Jefferson did not fight for slavery. Neither did
Washington. At the time of the Revolution, slavery
was legal also in England. Neither man was per-
fect. Still, Washington freed his slaves in his will.
Jefferson, (unfortunately, and also reprehensib-
ly), did not. But I believe that the Declaration of
Independence, which he largely wrote, did lead
eventually to the abolitionist crusade, the Civil
War, and to the eventual freeing of slaves.

However, Jefferson Davis was the president
of the Confederacy, and, I have read, was a
slaveholder, and there is no reason why he
should have a statue like a hero's dedicated to
him in the public square and maintained at tax-
payers' expense. There is talk here (Richmond,
Va.) of talking the statues off Monument Ave.
and putting them in a museum, which I think is
the best idea. Someone else has proposed
adding Civil Rights' heroes statues to the Aven-
ue instead, but I do not think it is right to hold
those who fought for a cause, which, if won,
would have resulted in the continuing of slave-
ry, as "heroes" equal to those who did some-
thing positive.