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How many hypocrites do we have in the Gulch?

Posted by woodlema 10 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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How many of the "Atheist" Objectivists in the Gulch celebrate "Christmas" "Easter" or participate in any way Christian holidays?

If you do are you not being a bit hypocritical?

To deny and condemn Christians who believe in God as delusional and lacking reason, and yet you celebrate their holidays?

Celebrating a deity you do not believe exists?

Or do you simply justify the hypocrisy by trying to call it something else in your mind?

Didn't Shakespeare say " A Rose by any other name is still a Rose."


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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    big•ot•ry
    (ˈbɪg ə tri)
    n.
    1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

    You are a bigot, per English definition.

    You display EXTREME intolerance, and also I might add are NOT flagged yet as a Producer in the Gulch.

    Ayn Rand categorized people into 3 classes.
    Producers, Moochers and Looters.

    Since you are not flagged as producer that only leaves one of the other categories for you.

    Those who are not producers are NOT objectivists. Just because you can rant against someone else's views does not make you an Objectivist. Just because you can use the word "reason" in a sentence also does not make one an Objectivist.

    ACTIONS!!! make one an Objectivist.

    So you can climb down off your self created high horse of hypocrisy and look in the mirror, and realize that YOU betray your proclaimed dogmatic views by NOT being a producer.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem to have missed the point. Turn up the volume and enjoy the Easter parade.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a site for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason. Rejecting inappropriate pushing of religion is not "bigotry", "nitpicking", "mooching" or "trolling". Advocacy and defense of reason here is fundamental.
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    Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Before you decide to take any form of "Objectivist" high ground, perhaps you should become a producer, instead of mooching and trolling and nitpicking based on your personal bigotry..
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    Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those should be assume simply by extension. In fact I did reference and I quote:
    "Christmas" "Easter" or participate in any way Christian holidays?" and logic would dictate that if you are referencing Christmas, you would also be applying the same principal to all of them.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's wrong for you to keep annoying people on an Ayn Rand site with your religious obsessions.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 10 years, 4 months ago
    Here is Leonard Peikoff on a supernatural being (don't shoot the messenger):
    Every argument for God and every attribute ascribed to Him rests on a false metaphysical premise. None can survive for a moment on a correct metaphysics.

    For instance, God is infinite. Nothing can be infinite, according to the Law of Identity. Everything is what it is, and nothing else. It is limited in its qualities and in its quantity: it is this much, and no more. “Infinite” as applied to quantity does not mean “very large”: it means “larger than any specific quantity.” That means: no specific quantity—i.e., a quantity without identity. This is prohibited by the Law of Identity.

    Is God the creator of the universe? There can be no creation of something out of nothing. There is no nothing.

    Is God omnipotent? Can he do anything? Entities can act only in accordance with their natures; nothing can make them violate their natures . . .

    “God” as traditionally defined is a systematic contradiction of every valid metaphysical principle. The point is wider than just the Judeo-Christian concept of God. No argument will get you from this world to a supernatural world. No reason will lead you to a world contradicting this one. No method of inference will enable you to leap from existence to a “super-existence.”
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  • Posted by Abaco 10 years, 4 months ago
    Let people believe what they want to believe. If somebody wants to believe in god yet hold Objectivists views, let it go.

    These aren't the "hypocrites" you need to worry about...
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only things I celebrate, 3 have nothing to do with religion the other is the only one commanded by Jesus.

    1) The anniversary of my Divorce of my first crazy ex-wife.

    2) The Anniversary of the marriage to my awesome 2nd wife. Been 10 years going on 11 been together 15.

    3) July 4th Americas Independence day, which I am wondering if this country even exists any more, but still..

    4) The death of Jesus on Niacin 14th. (Passover)

    Other than that. NONE!!!!
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 4 months ago
    I am a very strict fundamentalist atheist. However, the contributions of some religious people on here, AJA particularly, often get me up-pointing.
    I do not celebrate any of those holidays. I may often join in social functions based on them, this theme has been dealt with before here- do not confuse friendship with religious observance.
    I detect the use of emotional blackmail here in trying to make that link.

    There is only one date I celebrate, 1-July, the start of the financial year!
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    Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And there is the hypocrisy I mentioned.

    Christmas, and other Holidays celebrated by Christians, were co-opted from other religions and belief systems.

    ALL of which celebrate and recognize some form of deity.

    To "justify" celebrating IS hypocrisy especially considering all the effort that is placed on the zealous nature of those here who condemn anyone who even remotely shows a belief in a God.

    And Zenphamy, a belief system, is represented within philosophy. Definition Beleif: "1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists."

    To limit the use of the word belief in your context is incorrect, unless of course, you are saying that nothing is true and nothing exists, which makes your statement contradictory in itself.

    And you call me illogical.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    wood; I'm an Objectivist. I don't have a belief system. I have a philosophy of knowledge, empirical evidence, rational thought, and logical reasoning.

    I work very hard to not misuse words such as 'devout' which most often relates as an adjective to religious belief. That kind of makes the term 'devout atheist' an oxymoron of the worst type. Nor words like easter which has the derivation of: ORIGIN Old English ēastre; of Germanic origin and related to German Ostern and east. According to Bede the word is derived from Ēastre, the name of a goddess associated with spring.

    Nor do I concede to christian's attempts to own the holiday called christmas.
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    Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? How can we be "True to our belief system if we do not question it regularly.

    What is YOUR identity. Do you really follow an objectivist belief system? Hence the post.

    I know a lot of devout atheists, who take great pride in celebrating the same holidays that worship and laud something they say does not exist and condemn others for believing in. Hypocrisy is part of identifying "self."

    So if A is A, and God does not exist, why on earth would one take part in the celebrations of the thing they hate so much as fraud?

    I think it is very important for one to be honest with ones self as to the true nature of their own personal beliefs by often questioning them.


    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ide...
    Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders’ attempt to evade the fact that A is A. All the secret evil you dread to face within you and all the pain you have ever endured, came from your own attempt to evade the fact that A is A. The purpose of those who taught you to evade it, was to make you forget that Man is Man.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 4 months ago
    I would think that on a site dedicated to Objectivism and AR, we could do better than this post.
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    Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're welcome. Nothing worse than a hypocrite. If you have beliefs and convictions you should stick to them period. "To thine own self be true." which is also in a way part of the Objectivist Oath. Living for yourself and not others.

    Democrats and Liberals are the biggest of hypocrites and it drives me nutz how they never practice what they preach...
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  • Posted by broskjold22 10 years, 4 months ago
    You have convinced me that I should not celebrate Christmas. Thank you.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 4 months ago
    I love singing carols at Christmas time. I love getting together with friends and family during the holiday time. I tolerate beliefs of friends and family including Christmas. In the US (and some other western countries), Christmas is a retail sales event, a secular event at least as much as a sacred one .
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