A right to water?
Posted by xthinker88 10 years ago to News
So this is a popular meme going around facebook now. One of my friends posted it in agreement that nestle should be embargoed. We have been having the following "discussion":
Me: They don't [have a right to water]. He is absolutely right. It is impossible to have a right to anything that requires the effort of other humans to provide unless that effort is purchased by trade.
You have the right to the water that falls from the sky onto your face or your property. If it takes other people to get the water, and make it clean, and provide it for you, you have no right unless you pay for it or they choose to give it to you as a charity case (in which case you still have no right to it). They are not your slaves.
FB friend: I'm pretty sure this pertains to the drought in CA and what Nestle is doing out there, Mark. Also, some states do not allow people to collect rain water for personal us.
Me: What is nestle doing out there? Expecting pay for the effort and intelligence that goes into the water that they provide? They should.
Nobody has a right to water. They don't have a right to the labor and intelligence and capital it takes to dig wells, to pump water, to lay pipes, to treat water and store it, and to deliver it to your door. They do not have the right to enslave the people that do these things. Which is what "a right to water" means. The right to enslave all those who get the clean water to your house for those who have the "right".
California should pay out the wazoo for its dumb ass policies. Eventually reality cannot be avoided. CA has been taking more that its agreed share of the Colorado River for decades to water the desert - which is what most of Southern California is. Now it's coming back to bite them. They've allowed millions of immigration criminals to be welcome in their state. Now governor Brown complains about population. They've done everything possible to make energy production in their state as expensive as possible. Now that they need desalinization they cannot afford it because energy is the main cost of those processes.
They are paying for their stupidity, their progressive policies, and their denial of reality. Tough.
If nestle can figure out a way to profit from this mess - good for them.
Me: They don't [have a right to water]. He is absolutely right. It is impossible to have a right to anything that requires the effort of other humans to provide unless that effort is purchased by trade.
You have the right to the water that falls from the sky onto your face or your property. If it takes other people to get the water, and make it clean, and provide it for you, you have no right unless you pay for it or they choose to give it to you as a charity case (in which case you still have no right to it). They are not your slaves.
FB friend: I'm pretty sure this pertains to the drought in CA and what Nestle is doing out there, Mark. Also, some states do not allow people to collect rain water for personal us.
Me: What is nestle doing out there? Expecting pay for the effort and intelligence that goes into the water that they provide? They should.
Nobody has a right to water. They don't have a right to the labor and intelligence and capital it takes to dig wells, to pump water, to lay pipes, to treat water and store it, and to deliver it to your door. They do not have the right to enslave the people that do these things. Which is what "a right to water" means. The right to enslave all those who get the clean water to your house for those who have the "right".
California should pay out the wazoo for its dumb ass policies. Eventually reality cannot be avoided. CA has been taking more that its agreed share of the Colorado River for decades to water the desert - which is what most of Southern California is. Now it's coming back to bite them. They've allowed millions of immigration criminals to be welcome in their state. Now governor Brown complains about population. They've done everything possible to make energy production in their state as expensive as possible. Now that they need desalinization they cannot afford it because energy is the main cost of those processes.
They are paying for their stupidity, their progressive policies, and their denial of reality. Tough.
If nestle can figure out a way to profit from this mess - good for them.
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There is no such thing as a natural positive right. All rights are negative and reference basically being left alone. Rights TO things are actually thinly veiled claims that you have a right to another's life.
That does not include filling swimming pools and watering lawns.
There is a second catch. If you move from a water rich area to a water poor area do gain or lose the right to water. And let's say you gain. Assume the affected area, for ease of math, has 10,300,000 people and enough water for 300,000. 10,000,000 move in.Note: The same applies to any species. Fine! Now go google how much water is pumped into LA and Orange and Riverside County daily. The figures are buried in spray and mirrors system worthy of thhe US Congress but 131 gallons per day per capita imported was suggested in a few places. Now they want more. Endangered species in the northern counties , Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and the Columbia river be damned - especially humans.
As far as paying for it? They haven't paid their electrical bill to the other states yet!
If someone has a link to something about what/how nestle is involved, that would be helpful to me for filling in the knowledge gap.
Thanks xthinker for your thread. Well said.
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/water-west-its-complicated
They are paying for their stupidity, their progressive policies, and their denial of reality. Tough."
Sounds just like Atlas Shrugged!!!!!!
That said, Objectivists have room to debate a workable theory of rights to water sources one finds in the wild--rivers, lakes, and the mega-wells we call "aquifers." And, of course, desalination projects. Which, by the way, they were talking about in the early Sixties. I used to see the PSA's for "desalting the waters of the sea" when I was five or six years old.
Periodical deep droughts are a feature of CA climate, lack of preparation and investment, accompanied by careless overexploitation of limited resources is the mark of people having never had to think ahead, elected by other likeminded people.
At the end, all they get is more sand and no water, plus nobody where producers once used to work, but were chased away by collectivist legislation.
California is a good illustration of the decay of a great civilization once looters are put in a position of power.
Nailed the fb person to the wall.