Can you try that again? This time in English using basic grammar.

Uh, no. Marriage throughout the history of man has always been a religious - not secular - institution recognized by government, but not granted by it or controlled by it. It has only been the last hundred years or so that society has started to try to control the institution of marriage via government, starting with the communists.

You might be interested to note, but one of the key items in the communist playbook for destroying America is the promotion of gay marriage and the overthrow of religion of all kinds.

Polyamory is not the new name for polygamy. Polyamory is the more general term for having multiple spouses regardless of sex. Polygamy is the specific term for multiple wives.

now, there IS tongue work which might be more valuable....... -- j

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LOL!!!

it's very interesting, sir, that "we" here cannot envision

a church celebrating rationality and enlightenment with Ayn Rand

as the primary intellectual. . maybe the term church is too polluted

with thoughts of Jim Jones and David Koresh and -- oops -- reincarnation

to be used in the gulch. . how about celebratorium?

and the welcoming of Christians can be a very good idea,

if they are confident that they * can * take the oath, as I do --

because they set themselves apart that way. . the "tithe" is a

voluntary form of giving -- or should be -- after all. -- j

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A church of any sort implies faith in something. Objectivist don't accept that faith is in any way healthy for the human mind. I don't think anyone wishing to call anyplace or build a church otherwise known as a 'place of worship' wouldn't fit in a gulch.

As to reaching others with the message of Objectivism, I maintain that we won't accomplish much just posting the headlines of the day or silliness of any current social/political hoo-hah. We have an amazing philosophy of individuality, personal achievement, and freedom to interest others in, with an exceptional way of thinking logically and rationally with intellectual honesty, to determine the real things of life vs the irrationality of statist, collectivist, rights destroyers, and religionist of the world.

Most of those that I've interacted with on this site are extremely tolerant of others' closely held personal beliefs, even though we think they're wrong, but some of us are strongly intolerant of proselytizing. As to your suggested post, go ahead; but I'm pretty confident that it won't be well received.

I was thinking of talking instead of working........... -- j

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Thank You, Downvoter Zen!!! . for me, the church in

the gulch would be the generator house with the oath

over its door. . but I would never fault others for having

a church or bingo parlor or speak-easy or a saloon

where people could drink and meet and hook up or whatever.......

I am watching the prophecy of AS right now, at 5:24 a.m.,

and my purpose is identical to yours, here. . I just wish

that we had a wider audience who could see that we're

not negative vampires with anger for all who are a bit different!!! -- j

p.s. would it be a trigger for ignoring me if I put up a post

asking if Christians should be banned from the gulch?

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Well, that's one idea. Then you could look and sound like a group of old women gossiping and tsking about their neighbors activities at your Gulch church. And of course you could talk about all the other possibilities of human interaction that you've labeled bad, in your eyes, and what ought to be done about it like prohibiting alcohol and sex during the same 24 hour period because that leads to single motherhood or horror of horror, abortion. And of course there's obese women in yoga pants, I mean there ought to be a law.

It's hard to imagine the limit on all of societies ills to be discussed and the multitudes of personal decisions that all the humans on this planet make on a daily basis, or AR's Objectivist outlook and the Founder's individual rights outlook might even come up once in awhile.

You asked what I thought. That's it.

it is for real. -- j

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Look it up for yourself if you think I'm 'making it up' and see the kinds of perversion that they endorse.

I didn't know that was a real thing. I think that is made up.

But, even if it is real, they have a right to form a group of free association. As soon as any of them commit an actual act of pedophilia - then it is a crime.

Yes. I totally missed your point!

Sensei George Kirby indeed has a first name, and can be found here: http://www.budoshin.com/

He was by profession a High School teacher, now retired; he innovated the first video courses in Jujitsu.

Jan

...depends upon what you are doing with the tongue. 😄

The Borg part is a good analogy. I think Jaynes would of explained that as your view of the body from your conscious 'Mind' [which is outside your head] I have an interesting way of putting this. Remember Me, Myself and I in English class?

Me is the brain inside the body of myself made whole by the I of the mind. It would seem that there are 3 parts to us, 3 parts necessary to complete a 'Conscious Human Being. That's why I write in my book that the rulers posses only a body and a brain (although the brain part is debatable, LOL) Therefore are only 'Humanoid' at best.

If as you say pedophilia is an aggressive crime, why is NAMBLA allowed to openly exist?

well, Zen, we could discuss the possibility of a church

being located in the actual gulch. . or we could talk about

whether we should use the metric system in the gulch ....

there are other subjects;;; yes!!! -- j

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I think you guys are trying to carry this topic way too far. Why would any of you be concerned about what other people do with their relationships or care one way or the other? You are all supposedly Objectivist. Start acting like it or check your premises.

if progressives are like the Borg and "we" are like the

integrated mind and body with individuality, what is it

when I see myself as a person trapped in a body which

is constantly changing and limiting my life? . tricameral? -- j

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your comment that "Sensei parked in a handicapped

spot for awhile" might have referred to a teacher, or to a

teacher's familiar name;;; if you are talking about your

instructor, I understand -- sensei. . but if you are using

Sensei for, say, Sensei Kuroda, a teacher in a web

video which I found, then I am curious if there is a

video of him on the web ... and the names I found

are Kuroda, Tanaka, Nishio and Kagawa. . make any

sense, now??? -- j

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I read the article bicameralism...now recall it having been mentioned to me back in the 1980's. It would seem that an examination of the cognition amongst modern primitive societies would lead to some data on this theory.

A rapid look at the internet did not give me any such studies. Hmmmm. Thanks for the new topic for me to examine.

Jan

I will bow to your erudition. (In short, you left me totally behind in your comments...Would you explain?)

Jan

[sensei is a japanese word for teacher;;; I assume

that you are talking about a particular teacher, and

there are several on the web here who carry that

moniker ... do you want to say ... Kuroda, Tanaka,

Nishio, Kagawa ... ?] -- j

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