Why would they not be welcome should be the question. How can we as objectionist convert those who would try to convert us if there isn't a platform for intelligent conversation.


As far as a woman's body that is for her to answer. In my reading of Rands writing states to harm on one unless in self defense. Now if life scientifically starts at conception then no harm should come to that being in my mind right or wrong. Also in my mind there is no good answer to the question only an opinion.

that is one of the most fundamental problems, IMHO --

the language is being perverted so that good is bad

and charity is racism. -- j

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I contend that it is possible to take the oath and also

maintain that the love-oriented view of reality beats

the cold acidic view of loooooong ago. . I have done it;;;

hey -- I do it every day!!! -- j

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who mentioned force? . we're not talking missionaries here,

are we? . or do we consider that all Christians are missionaries? -- j

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If you are talking about abortion, it is not the woman's body that is in question, it is the babies.

Since when does one have to be pro-abortion to be an objectivist? Modern medicine clearly proves the humanity of the unborn. with all we now know about fetal development, I find it barbaric that our society still condones the poisoning and dismemberment of these human beings, simply because they have not yet passed through the birth canal.

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I think a Christian is welcome. So long as one is civil and abides by: "Whatever may be open to disagreement, there is one act of evil that may not, the act that no man may commit against others and no man may sanction or forgive. So long as men desire to live together, no man may initiate—do you hear me? No man may start—the use of physical force against others."

I must say, I have yet to meet a Christian who has actually read the Bible and remained a Christian. It is hard for me to imagine a Christian could read books such as "Drunk With Blood --- God's Killings in the Bible" or the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible" and remain a Christion. The 2,821,364 murders by the god or at the god's direction cited by chapter and verse you can look up in your very own Bible at home, would be enough for me question the whole book.

[Wells, Steve (2013-10-31). Drunk with Blood - God's Killings in the Bible . SAB Books. Kindle Edition.]

The following is a mere sample of information one can go check in their favorite Giddeon edition.

Eating your own children for food. 2 Kings 6:29.

Murdering children. Isaiah 13:16'

Giving daughters as sex slaves. Genesis 19:8.

Daughters pregnant from father. Genesis 19:36.

Eating your own excrement. 2 Kings 18:27.

Everyone should hate their parents, wives and children. Luke 14:26.

The sweet smell of burnt offerings. Leviticus 1:1-17 and 2:1-9.

Lord makes bowels fall out. 2 Chronicles 21:18-19.

Where are the siblings of Jesus? Mark 6:3.

God sanctions rape. Judges 19:22-25.

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I have no problem with Christians per se. But if they come here and quote scripture at us, they will and should be laughed at.

Speaking as a Christian myself, I have often wondered about this very question. My attitude as a Christian is, if you all want to boot me out of the Gulch because I am a Christian, go for it. I won't hate or resent any of you. As far as I'm concerned most if not all here seem to me to be tolerant and decent people. I don't care if your Atheist, Agnostic or any other Religion. I believe God gave us all freewill to make up our own minds. To me our difference's is one of the things that make life interesting. I certainly hope you don't boot me. That would suck, but life would go on.

Welcome at my house! As long as you don't try to take freedoms away (legislate) based on dogma or "faith".

Kind of with Khalling on this though. I get agnostic or even spiritual, but how can a reasonable person buy into the stories, actions of the church and dogma, when so much that it canon was clearly wrong and/or made up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB4NPsJkhhA

Listen up at 1:21! It is incomprehensible to you! lol.

Old Dino is a Christian. If you don't like it, Old Dino will bite you.

My manners are too old-fashioned to bite a woman though. I do have the option of snapping my teeth at her.

Good manners also forbid I discuss things I can do with my theropod teeter-totter tail.

This is an excellent post because it so poignantly exemplifies the struggle of mankind. It does so by committing the logical fallacy called Sibling Rivalry. First, it identifies the people group “Christians.” Christians by definition are followers of Christ and therefore followers of His teachings which are recorded in the Bible.

Second, it identifies the same people group as “agreeing a woman’s body is her own and a person’s social choices are their own.”

Christ taught, and through the Bible teaches, that a person’s body is not his own but the temple of the Holy Spirit. It also teaches that there are absolute social rights and wrongs we are to follow.

In this question one sibling says, “I’m a Christian, I follow Christ’s teachings – the other sibling says, “I’m a Christian, I don’t follow Christ’s teachings.”

That’s me! (technically: That is I) I say I’m a Christian and then go and fail to follow all His teachings no matter how hard I try. Fortunately this same Christ offers us His grace and mercy through death on the Cross. That inspires me to follow Him all the more because He willingly paid for my innumerable faults: A is A – Jesus is Love.

Just looking at the question, IMHO, I would say yes, in that it is not in my sphere of influence to tell anyone what to do with their own body, as well as socially. Just don't ask me to either endorse or approve or pay for those choices. I agree with Khallings qualification test, the basic test to see if you are of a like mind. Faith, in my view, is a personal choice to be dealt with between the individual and whatever faith they may have, but the moment it becomes a force that seeks to impose it's will on others, goodbye. I do not seek to force my will on anyone, and I expect the same, if that is incompatible, then that is an issue. To deny anyone membership simply because they have a particular way of looking at the world is to become the enemy. The Oath would be a good test.

At a time I was strictly Pro Life! Then I started looking and listening to those we send to Washington DC and had to change my mind. Living proof that abortion should remain legal and in some cases mandatory!

Of course not: an Obj.ist cannot hold such values.

I seem to remember that Rand originally had a sympathetic priest character in AS that she dropped because she couldn't square his reliance on faith as a means of cognition with her philosophy. I'm guessing that she carried that mindset over into her personal life and would not have associated with anyone who was strongly religious. I also recall she was very negative on William Buckley for, among other things, his religious beliefs.

I'm assuming a "woman's body is her own" is about abortion. That's a common phrase used frequently by people who don't actually believe that our bodies male and female are our own. Who are full of ideas on how we should be constrained for our own good. -- But enough of that rant.

It's interesting that even among those who are most interested in individual freedoms there comes the dilemma of at what point these take place.

Rand was utterly convinced that the first trimester didn't count but after that things get less certain. At some point the parents have assumed an obligation to care for the child until it has attained reason and the ability to become a productive member of society.

I certainly know that I am welcome. My beliefs are mine. I don't ask you to judge or to agree with them. I don't even mind if you don't respect them. I will do the same for you. It is truly our differences that make us strong.