Not only no but heck no. I still have plenty of relatives up there in Wisconsin and they have had the 2 coldest winters in their memory the last 2 years. Most snow since the blizzard of 63 they told me ( I was 4 back then). So NO!! Of course I remember in the 80's, when I was in the Navy, we were planning for the next ice age and it was being touted in magazines like Time and Newsday that you were to prepare for the coming glaciers and year round snows. So I believe the current prognosticators with the same grains of salt that I used back then, only this time, Super Al Gore got the left fired up with his rhetoric and they believe the world is ending if we don't change our ways. Of course it will cost millions, no billions of your tax dollars to change it and it is all going to Al or some other lefty.

I ran into this the other day:

http://megainternational.org/

Maybe so Maybe no...

So you don't agree with the global warming theory. that's your choice but I have research the He(( out of it and found that it is a global trend that has existed since God knows when. Greenland was called Greenland by Eric because it was Green ,Vineland(labourador had the best wine grapes and Englands were pretty good as well. North American Tribes in US mid west all Migrated north and south because of heat and drought. Nothing I would look at south of 45. Nova scotia Newfoundland are both options as well. Canadian Taxation is Crap but an organized community can take advantage of the good and eliminate the bad if properly orchestrated.

Elliot lake, Saugeen shore Blind river The Sault.

And so the reasons I am here start to trickle through.

You have the Idea!!! A place where my children have no choice but to learn because of their environment and they will be in close contact with similar young adults that come from an intellectual framework with drive and determination and the procreation process switches back to an evolution instead of a de-evolutionary culture who's population is only increased by the welfare moms with no education drive or Intellectual prowess.

yes still need phone and internet can still have access to government Funded libraries and post. Don't know about you but I haven't the funds or a relationship with Tesla to build a complete society from scratch and shield it in a force field. but I can build a small industrialized place were conversation is at a higher level and the company can be controlled so the moron factor (Idiocrasy) can't interfere.

Designer inventor here and have a ready for market safety device for cranes that will be requiring employees factory admin,. couple of near ghost towns that would work well employing only 120 = mensa employees with ideas that we can develop and create and grow the society. high I,Q boy meets high IQ girl and the battle against social de-evolution begins.

My recently deceased father left a lake house to my family of 5 brothers in the Florida Panhandle.
You could film a Tarzan movie there. Snow? What's snow?
Very close to the cottage (as Dad liked to call it) is a tucked away in the woods out of place suburban-looking community that nearby passing Highway 231 traffic would have no idea it even existed.
Last time I went slightly out of my way to drive through that place I saw a dude pushing a lawnmower and giving me a weird kind of a smile.
The words, "Witness Protection Program," as suddenly flashed through my imagination. I don't really know.
Perhaps a similar community could be built shaded by lots of trees maybe at the end of a mazed confusion of dirt roads with a lot of dead ends.
If Gulchers would refrain from growing pot that's picked up by the heat sensors of law enforcement helicopters, maybe such a (not suburban-looking) community can stay off the grid.
Clean water can be gained from wells dug beside one of many lakes that are all over the place in that area. Check that out on Google Maps. It surprised me how many lakes there are when I looked just a couple of years ago.

Buy an island, Earth boring equipment delivered by Q-Ship at night. Excavate living area's below the surface. Bore out subsea entrances. Foam line all subterranian tunnels and living areas. Then remove all surface habitation replant surface vegetation. Light reflecting tubes from surface to under ground. Surface water collection to subsurface cisterns. Numerous small ore smelters with exhausts cooled by seawater then pumped through subsea piping miles away from the island. Power from tidal turbines. International sale products delivered to the Q Ship via minisubs at night. All o/s market transactions will be done in gold and uncut gemstones. Gold remelted into Galts Gulch coinage or into other non traceable bullion. All inhabitants will be armed(concealed carry) as a precaution. Food stores, Labs, mechanical shops will all be subterranean. Inhabitants will be allow up to the surface. when spy satelites are not overhead. Internet through scrambled signal through private satelite for news and entertainment fromthe outside world.
There you have my idea of an island Gulch.

I agree with the concept of hiding in plain sight. We can retreat to here to have reasonable discussions, lift each other up and be renewed in knowing we are not alone.

Northern Missouri is as far north as I wish to handle long cold winters. Made my own Gulch don't think I'll move now I'm established and ready if there is a collapse if not I'm happy on my little ranch.

go to the hbletter.com Harry Binswanger was a close friend of AR and his web site is for objectivists.

I dont think the whole world will collapse all at once. Its going to go as in Venezuela, with more and more government controls trying to prop up the existing government for another day. I dont thing, however, that spreading rational values will do much until the populace sees a pretty good collapse. Look at Venezuela now- I am amazed that Maduro isnt just summarily killed and his henchmen strung up. BUT, the people arent THERE yet. Imagine how long it would go on here with people still believing in government like they do.

Exactly. It's happening now, and not just in the underground economy. The Gulch does not need to be a confined physical space. It is virtually wherever you are, connected by our shared values, thanks to the Internet.

If the whole world crashes, no place will be secure, survivalist techniques notwithstanding. Better to work within the system to spread rational values and prevent the collapse.

Too late for me, but I'd gladly become a conduit.

Without a broad based intellectual shift in thinking among the general populace, a revolution away from socialism is not likely. For us who are alive now, its just not going to happen. We have to exist quietly within the system, having as little to do with it as possible, and with maximum protections from it. That means hiding in plain sight and quietly. Let the system collapse and THEN let your boat float in when the tide is coming in. Now, we are fighting the tide of socialism sweeping this country (and others)

I think hiding in plain sight is the best option at this point. NSA spying and satellite observation really makes keeping something secret like a gulch is just impractical. BUT, like minded people can choose to trade and associate with each other quietly and make their own virtual gulch.

Not sure about Northern Ontario. It is remote but I left Wisconsin because I was sick of the snow and cold. My parents moved to Belize last year and even with some of the rules (like guns), it seems to be a pretty much, hands off government. Not sure but you can still buy a chunk of property pretty cheap. Of course same goes for Mexico as long as you are away from the border, someplace like the Yucatan Peninsula. Lots of rules though and they don't like guns, or at least, you cannot bring them into the country unless you work for a drug cartel. No matter where you go though, one government or another will butt their heads in and make things the way they want them or tax the heck out of you.

If you recall, Galt's speech included a general invitation to draw a dollar sign on your door if you wanted join the strikers. In the real world, it would take an army to locate and indivually invite each producer.

The only way the "gulch" can exist is for its location and purpose to remain a secret from the looters. Membership must be by invitation only. If you deserve to be a member they will find you.

Sign me up too!

The problem is that if you put a bunch of capable people together we will produce stuff.

Then the looters will come to take "their fair share". Any attempt to have a Gulch requires legal isolation from governments.

That should have read, "It's not completely off the grid, but it's as close as I can get."