I think I've finally figured out why the Nazis were considered a right-wing ideology

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 5 months ago to History
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Anyone who has studied World War II should know that the full and proper name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). And anyone who knows anything about socialism knows that it is primarily a left-wing ideology. In recent years, this has led many people to believe that the Nazis were on the left-wing of the political spectrum.

But according to this article, Hitler actually opposed socialist ideas, and the Nazi party was socialist in name only, having taken the label in order to gain popularity with the German people. That's why historians have consistently said that the Nazis were a right-wing party, even though they bore the name of a left-wing ideology. The Nazis deceptively called themselves socialists, but many of their actual policies were ardently anti-socialist. Though they did have to implement some genuine socialist policies during their reign in order to appease the masses -- such as wealth redistribution, profit-sharing, nationalization of trusts, retirement pensions and free education -- they nevertheless stood ardently opposed to the ideas of racial and ethnic equality, which were supposed to be a keystone of socialism.

From the article:
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"In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the [German Worker's Party (GPW)] should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany. Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word 'National' before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had 'German blood'. Jews and other 'aliens' would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end.

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In September 1921, Hitler was sent to prison for three months for being part of a mob who beat up a rival politician. When Hitler was released, he formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks.

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At the end of the march Hitler would make one of his passionate speeches that encouraged his supporters to carry out acts of violence against Jews and his left-wing political opponents. As this violence was often directed against Socialists and Communists, the local right-wing Bavarian government did not take action against the Nazi Party."
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I admit, for the longest time, I had been operating on the assumption that the Nazis were actual, genuine socialists, because that's what they called themselves. But if this article is true, it flips things around completely. Not that I would ever become a socialist, because I've studied economics too much to believe socialism could ever work. But I do finally understand how and why the Nazis were considered to be part of the right-wing, in spite of their party's name.

(As a side note, I also found it interesting that the Nazi SA were sometimes called "stormtroopers." Could that have been where George Lucas got the term from?)


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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The internment camps blatantly violate the principle of innocent until proven guilty, do they not? No other country at the time touted such a high standard of citizen protection, yet it was blatantly ignored in the fervor and paranoia of war. Was it the worst of FDR's offenses? Probably not.

    FDR did have to be forced into the war. Yes, he was providing war materials, but that's just commerce, no different than Switzerland. It was only after the Lusitania (which was probably carrying ammunition) and finally Pearl Harbor that FDR was finally pushed by public outrage to truly engage and declare war on the Axis powers. Germany invaded Poland in September of 1939. The Battle of Britain was in 1940. German U-boat wolfpacks were sinking US shipping in 1940. Despite Churchill's pleading, the US didn't formally declare war until December 8, 1941 (Japan) and December 11 (Germany). Say what you wish, but FDR was an isolationist, though it should be noted that most of America up to Pearl Harbor shared that sentiment.

    And you really need to read up on your military history. Germany was by far the more dangerous of the Axis powers due to its research. It wasn't Japan that had developed the Tiger (Panzer) tanks, 88mm armor-piercing guns, the largest battleships afloat (the Bismarck and Tirpitz), the Messerschmitt supersonic fighters, the V-1 and V-2 missiles nor was within months of having the atomic bomb. After the battle of Midway when Japan lost four major carriers and all their experienced pilots, the rest of the Asian theater was long, bloody mop-up work, but that's all. The Japanese had will and territory, but they were only half as dangerous as the Germans, who were technologically superior and also nursing a deep-seated grudge for the one-sided treaty of Versailles that pushed their economy into shambles.

    And to be fair, FDR did not instigate the Depression. That was started by Herbert Hoover - similar to Bush/Obama today. Just like FDR, however, Obama has made the economy worse through exactly the same tactics: higher taxes and an expanded welfare state. Obama is similarly attempting to pack the Supreme Court. What I fear is that unlike FDR, Obama wants to drag us into a war like the one in Syria that could easily escalate into a worldwide conflict. He has been reading from the same history books that tout that war got us out of the Great Depression and that it was propping up the economy during Vietnam, both of which are fallacies. War only sucks/diverts/destroys resources. It was the improvements of private enterprise that brought us out of the Great Depression. I wish our current leadership would heed this wisdom, but I am not holding my breath.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The internment camps were no such thing. How come we don't hear about the blight on British history, or Australian history that their internment camps were?

    His military policy was NOT isolationism, or we wouldn't have ended up at war. Isolationism means not supplying the enemies of your enemy behind the cloak of neutrality. It means not refusing to sell scrap metal to Japan because of their expansionism.

    Where's the evidence that his SCOTUS picks led to extending existing policy further than it would have extended otherwise?

    I can't stand FDR, but you're not condemning him for his real flaws.

    Yes, he made the Depression worse and longer. His military policy wast stupid, but only because he sent 60% of our men and material to the European theater, instead of to the REAL war with Japan; likewise the lend-lease he sent to Russia. Of course, that was his driving purpose behind getting us into the war; first, to dig us out of the Depression he had us stuck in, in a Keynesian fashion, and second, to save the communists from being crushed by the fascists.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sure it was.
    A-bombs make Russians glow just as brightly as they make Japanese...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's really amazing all the FDR worship when you really get down to his policies. He made the Great Depression worse with bad economic and fiscal policy (sounds like a modern president). His military policy - isolationism - was also a disaster that led to Pearl Harbor. The creation of the internment camps was a blight on American History. He acknowledged packing the Supreme Court, and it was these Justices that would perpetuate racial segregation for another 20 years.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By the time Patton got there, it was not militarily feasible either, thanks another one of our great presidents - FDR.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. While Hitler and Stalin originally agreed to a mutual treaty, neither had the intention of living up to it. Both were egotistical military commanders who saw the events as an opportunity to expand their territory and control. Patton correctly surmised and advocated for kicking the Russians all the way out of Germany, Poland, etc. - all the way back to their borders, but it was neither politically nor militarily appetizing to Allied command at the time. So what we got was the cold war.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The book i recommended, Liberal Fascism, goes into far more detail. Although i have done some additional reading on my own. One source that i find interesting is contemporaneous newspaper articles. Through my local library for example, i have found that i can read Philadelphia Inquirer articles all the way back to before the Civil War (although the paper's name changed) - all online.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    very intersting. you've obviously spent much more time studying these periods. it begs a post x
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Kaiser was not starting with a republic. Although Bismarck's militaristic socialism was an inspiration to the the early progressives. TR was a progressive but could not amass nearly the power that Wilson did using WW1 as the pretext. Wilson set up national boards to control industries. Destroyed printing presses of opposition newspapers. Fortunately, the war came to a close soon and Americans then would not put up with this in peacetime without a "moral equivalent to war". But the Wilson regime provided a blueprint and inspiration for the FDR regime that lasted 3.5 terms and achieved the kind if radical transformative change that Obama can only dream of.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The Russians - better suited to fighting in the cold and defending their homes"

    Nice, romantic way of saying they (typically) sacrificed millions of their own, relying on their harsh climate to once again fend off the invader.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In which democracy did Wilson create this fascist-style regime? Cause I thought he was President of the U.S., which isn't a democracy, but a REPUBLIC.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    can you be more specific regarding why Wilson was the first? what about the Kaiser in Germany? Teddy Roosevelt, heck Lincoln? I just want to know the criteria you are using.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 5 months ago
    Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg discusses how one set of philosophical ideas (promulgated ironically by Americans like Dewey) took root in three different national soils where they became fascism in Italy, naziism in Germany, and Progressivism in the US. Fundamentally leftwing ideas mixed with darwinist ideas. Collectivism. Eugenics. Central control and statism. And militarism. In Europe actual militarism. In the US, the idea of causes which would be considered the "moral equivalent" of war. The war on poverty for example. Ie causes that would create the same impetus around which to "organize" and control society and the economy as a war but without the destruction. (Global warming anyone?)

    Wilson created the first fascist-style regime in a western democracy but could only keep it together under the threat of WW1. FDR had a ready made excuse in the Depression and added a cult of personality to his New Deal which created fundamental transformational change and which the dimwitted "greatest generation" swallowed hook line and sinker bringing about the demise of our constitutional republic while allegedly fighting off FDR's ideological soul-mates.

    The progressives in the US loved the fascists and nazis until WW2. FDR and Mussolini had a mutual admiration society going on. The Eugenicists in the US thought the Third Reich was heading in the right direction. (Although they wanted all of this expunged from the history books after WW2 revealed to the general public the full extent of the holocaust.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, he was. And then he went to Spain and fought on the Republican (socialist/communist/anarchist) side and saw that socialism and the fascism that he was fighting were really the same tyrannical systems. He was in the same battalion as Hemingway, who never learned much because while Orwell, and others, fought, Hemingway was a protected prima donna and watched the fighting.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 11 years, 5 months ago
    Americans considered Nazis right-wing due to their racism being comparable as such right-wing American groups such as the KKK. I was born in 1947 and recall racists such as George Wallace being of the Democrat Party in Alabama where I still live. Democrats ran Alabama at that time. It was the Republican Party who helped Democrat JFK end segregation here. Since then the Democrats have somehow hijacked credit for always looking out for blacks.

    How times have changed. I was stunned when I saw all those Jew-Baiting signs carried around by that Occupy Movement.

    During the 60s I was a white racist because that was all I was exposed to. My logic and soul grew up during the early 70s. I find racism repulsive.

    And I do not understand the Progressive dislike of Jews and even more so the Jews who support Progressives.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Personally, I prefer to think of the tyranny/anarchy axis as being up and down, rather than left and right.

    I say that because sender47 is right. Anarchy as well as tyranny can both be applicable to either the right or left sides of the political spectrum. The only way for that to be possible is for the tyranny/anarchy axis to be perpendicular, rather than parallel, to the traditional liberal/conservative axis.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.

    Actually, Hitler attacked the Soviet Union in a pre-emptive strike because the Soviet Union was poised to attack within a week of Barbarossa. The first historian to disclose these carefully hidden (by the Soviets) facts is Victor Suvorov in "Icebreaker." The facts support this. On June 22, 1941, 141 Soviet divisions were concentrated within a few kilometers of the border, all their aircraft were pre-positioned within a few kilometers of the border (that is why the Germans were able to destroy them in one day, just like the Isralies did in 1967). The Russians have abandoned all their previously held defensive positions, trainloads of supplies were being dumped right at the terminals by the border and none of the bridges were mined - in fact, the mines were removed a few weeks prior. Even the most numerous Russian tank at the time, BT-7, of which the Soviets had about 50,000, was designed to be very fast, with weak armor, and could shed its tracks and run on wheels at very high speed. Keep in mind that the Soviet Union did not have roads which the BT-7 could have possibly utilized - those roads were in Germany! Those tanks were useless in a defensive war and were abandoned.
    The myth of Germany attacking the USSR for all the reasons that you've listed above have been pushed by the Soviets and swallowed by the West in order to hide the Soviet impending attack on Germany and their clear intention, under the guise of getting rid of Hitler, to continue rolling through Western Europe.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 11 years, 5 months ago
    I encourage everybody interested in this topic to read Leonard Piekoff's tome "The Ominous Parallels". Mr Piekoff was a close associate of Ayn Rand and "The Ominous Parallels" was also published in 1957. It is a very in depth analysis of German collectivism with origins back to the difference between Plato and Aristotle philosophies and is also a presentation of how the US is paralleling Nazi Germany. 1957, wow!
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 11 years, 5 months ago
    I feel like I've just read a paper explaining why a snake bite victim should be interested in whether he's dying from a rattlesnake or a cottonmouth strike. Authoritarianism, which is the suppression of individual freedoms in society by an elite government oligarchy, has the same lethal effect on liberty whether it comes from the "left" (ownership of all means of supply and control of demand by government bureaucracy and suppression of capitalist market forces) or "right" (ownership of means of supply by a group of monopolist businesses, controlling the masses by controlling corrupt bureaucrats).

    In the end, the game is about who holds the power, which is usually a small group of oligarchs or a single, dictatorial figure. Hitler, like Stalin, was gifted in building such an architecture of fear and distrust among his closest associates that no one was willing to challenge even his most insane decisions. Mussolini tried to create a similar atmosphere and failed. Franco built a small group of favorites, but engendered a feeling of trust and loyalty among them that enabled his survival and success.

    Fascism has been portrayed as ownership of government by "corporatists", referring to a small group of powerful owners of large portions of the capitalist enterprise. If entities such as Krupp thought they had such control over Hitler, they were mistaken, but I believe we are much closer to the Fascist model in America today, as there is no Hitlerian charismatic figure with the skills to wrench control from the big owners of information trade. Obama doesn't have the skills of a Hitler or Stalin.

    The authoritarian power wielders at the top in America have so twisted the vague definitions of left and right that conservatism, which leans away from centralized power in any form, is somehow accepted as a sign of looming "right wing" tyranny. The dictionary of American society has been rewritten while we watched and let it happen.

    Left or right labels are irrelevant, just as is whether the poison destroying the republic is Fascist or Socialist in nature. Like the snake bite victim, Authoritarian poison kills freedom, no matter the source.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 5 months ago
    I don't get that Hitler and the Nazis were ever considered as right. They were about as statist, centralized, anti-liberty as any group, politically or economically in history. This idea of right/left is a dramatically over-simplified way of trying to define nations, groups, politics, economics, or philosophies.

    I'm not sure where the right/left description came from, but it's mis-leading. Maybe that's it's purpose.
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  • Posted by TheOldMan 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AH attacked the USSR for several reasons. First he wanted more territory for Germany (Lebensraum) so it could be more self-sufficient. This was part of his rationale for annexing Austria (Anschluss) and the entire Munich accord. Second he considered the Russians to be sub-human (Untermensch) and in need of destruction to preserve the purity of the Aryan race. Also going back to Lebensraum, the Ukraine is an extremely fertile area and would have provided more than enough food for a greatly expanded Germany. Finallly Hitler feared Bolchevism, thinking that Stalin would not be content to stick with half of Poland and eventually would attempt to spread Communism into Europe.

    AH was not CINC material. He did not have any mgmt experience. He knew how to rally mobs and thought himself a genius (hmm, reminds me of someone else). If he had been a capable mgr willing to share the limelight with his military leaders, then the European theater of WWII would have been a very different place. His micro-managing of the war doomed Germany to certain defeat. Stalingrad did not have to be a disaster, there were several strategies that would most likely have made it a victory.

    Germany would have eventually been defeated. It simply did not have enough men and material to protect its greatly expanded boundaries. If Barbarossa had not been implemented, then Stailn would have enventually attacked anyway as Stalin feared Nazism for the same reasons that AH feared Bolshevism. Although he was also a nutcase (purged the military of anyone capable), he did have many millions of soldiers and civilians to send in waves to defeat Germany. Recall that once Barbarossa began, the USA started supplying the USSR with material and intelligence.
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