A Quick Introduction
Posted by deleted 12 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: Introductions
I truthfully know not what to say. I am part of this site, so I am Objectivist. And since you are too, that needs no explaining. I am a proud homosexual and a vegetarian. I feel as if I wouldn't hurt a human, so why use force against an animal? I mean, unless they strike first, which Objectivism says is alright to use force against those who use it against you. I believe that humans are animals and so animals deserve at least humane treatment (although they don't understand morality, rationality, philosophy, and money and so shouldn't be ensured with those expectations). I play the viola and love to play it when I feel stressed. Classical music is my favorite. My favorite thing to do? Debate. Especially with my colleagues (most of which are religious and so support communism).
Anyways, you and I don't have much in common. Welcome to the Gulch anyway.
I do not know what a hippie XD is. the Objectivist co-exists every day with the non-Objectivist. There is a tipping point, however. and I believe we have reached it
Our civilization and it's morals have been Christian based. Why? Christianity doesn't change. Why's that? Because the Bible doesn't change. Why's that? Because the Lord said the Bible can't be changed. Where does it say that? Read Revelations, Chapter 22 verses 18 and 19.
That's why the Lord is sometimes called our "Rock" ~ meaning solid, firm. Any morality that's not based on Christianity is built on shifting sands. Those 'morals' will change. Just ask any tyrant.
Getting back to 'tolerance'. Christians tolerate a lot. Even people who do not agree nor believe in Christ. Objectivist? Great. I'm not going to kill you and I'm pretty sure you're not going to kill me. That means we can work together and get on with life. I dare you to try this with Islam, I'll have my Springfield on backup when they freak out on you.
Republic = rule of law
Whenever people start taking responsibility and learning something for themselves instead of relying on someone else, that's when you have Independence. I have many issues with the Catholic church, but will not discuss them here. Likewise, you won't catch me playing fiddle with rattlesnakes and other varmin praising Jesus. My luck would be to get bit, die and then Jesus would ask me. "Why did you play with snakes? I gave you a brain, why didn't you use it?" I'd be begging for forgiveness of my stupidity...
ok. Eve does eat from the tree of knowledge
I have no problem with vegetarians (infact I used to be one before i discovered i liked how meat tasted ;) just around the time I was 20) but i find the premise of equating humans with animals as unworthy..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandquerie...
Once you accept your premise, I just don't see the logic in where you draw your line. btw, what is your stance on abortion?
eggs come first. why won't you eat them? they are tasty and filled with protein
I LOOOOVE avocado. I make chocolate truffles with it :)
Even though Ayn Rand had zero tolerance of anyone who discards reason (like 90% of her fans). I can tolerate without encouraging. I can tolerate, while trying to change another's mind with reason; and move on rather than punch out those who ignore reason (or those that 'just don't get it').
Galt's Gulch is an ideal metaphor. Tolerance of the world's coercion by walking away. They were leaving the BS of the world, but more importantly, they were creating an environment free of coercion.
but fresh is abundant and cheap. canned things I can do myself. but I have not been able to figure out that enzyme thing with pineapple.
charcoal lighter down here is much heavier. it doesn't burn off quickly. uugghhh. you try not to use it.
do you agree to take antibiotics? you are killing things for your life. When you wash yourself, you are killing organisms. what is this about? the cute, cuddly things you won't eat?
what is your justification for the difference. why are feelings important?
the animals that are the food source for humans, their species are much more likely to survive. are you harming their evolutionary chances at survival?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3CZNKgn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnes...
http://hypocaffeinic.files.wordpress.com......
animals and people are not the same. let's start from choice vs. morality
I am so involved in food (I own a several hospitality businesses, I also have an interesting gig with Whole Foods) that I can not find vegetarianism appealing. But I find the reasoned arguments compelling.
just kidding :)
I'm at a loss for this statement, I am a Christian and in no form a supporter of communism, and don't know anyone who would be either. I do not believe in pushing my beliefs on others, but will discuss them if and when asked. Again don't see the communist part.
are we all equally worthy of love?
2 Thessalonians 3
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread!
1 Timothy 5
If any woman who is a believer has dependent widows, she must assist them and the church must not be burdened, so that it may assist those who are widows indeed.
No not really, it's really about attitude and that we all sin, someone may desire to do us harm but we should not "return hate for hate" that's a pointless endeavor, now does that mean we will love everybody, not likely, as it's always said, we're a work in motion. It can also relate to Mathew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" It's so much easier to bring down others to make ourselves feel better about ourselves. Even Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
"Man has a single basic choice: to think or not, and that is the gauge of his virtue. Moral perfection is an unbreached rationality—not the degree of your intelligence, but the full and relentless use of your mind, not the extent of your knowledge, but the acceptance of reason as an absolute." AR, For the New Intellectual, Lexicon
Sin does not not need to be a part of this answer.
"Life or death is man’s only fundamental alternative. To live is his basic act of choice. If he chooses to live, a rational ethics will tell him what principles of action are required to implement his choice. If he does not choose to live, nature will take its course. " (Causality vs. Duty, Philosophy Who Needs It, AR, Lexicon)
He was not a pacifist; because he knew (via the Holy Spirit) what was in men's hearts, he was able to stop them in their tracks. He challenged the "establishment" of the day and ridiculed them for not upholding God's law, but rather the traditions of men. When Christ saw something wrong, he challenged it. He did not "tolerate" anything that was not in accordance to the Father's Word.
The point is, liberals are wrong about Christ. Don't believe them. Don't believe me, read the Bible and read it for yourself.