but a perfectly nice and well fed life before that

Oh yes, Steak, beef Tri Tip, Beef ribs (my favorite, but a bit difficult in prepping), pork steak, marinated chicken breasts, my Hawaiian Chicken kabobs...buffalo burgers. I'm prepping my grill this weekend for the new season, the neighbors will soon know it's time to get grilling.

Cool! Thanks!

I disagree with your last statement; they most certainly do have a place in our society, on the table, the grill.

was it steak? that's what is happening here in the gulch

also, you got best line of the day-but it's posted in the producer's lounge. I tell you how many points you get

lol....tears....
ok. Eve does eat from the tree of knowledge

Care with the loving thy neighbor, Anthony Weiner did, Tiger Woods...they took it to the extreme.

You should try the dead animal flesh I put on my grill. mmmm, mmmmmm, good.

Why wouldn't the leaders of the local Catholic church NOT want their members to read the Bible? Because it would mean they would lose the power over them. Did you know the Pilgrims used the Geneva Bible? Why? Because it was the purest form (versus the King James Bible, as you mention) taken directly from the original texts. (I have one)

Whenever people start taking responsibility and learning something for themselves instead of relying on someone else, that's when you have Independence. I have many issues with the Catholic church, but will not discuss them here. Likewise, you won't catch me playing fiddle with rattlesnakes and other varmin praising Jesus. My luck would be to get bit, die and then Jesus would ask me. "Why did you play with snakes? I gave you a brain, why didn't you use it?" I'd be begging for forgiveness of my stupidity...

they are going to come up with something that shows an orange shrieking in pain as it is picked from the tree. oh. they have.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandquerie...
Once you accept your premise, I just don't see the logic in where you draw your line. btw, what is your stance on abortion?

Ah, but I have stated that our difference is our mind. Our rationality. For, our flesh is the same. And that is the reasoning behind it. I would not feast on the flesh for that is our commonality. But I would not equate to them, for I have rationality and the wild animal does not. They take their earnings by force, not productivity...and thus they are corrupt. I would not offer them a place in our society for they cannot be human.

Your comment about being a vegetarian is an interesting one.. you say its because humans are animals and then you provide exceptions to this rule.. but the fact of the matter in Ayn Rand's world.. those very qualities (morality, rationality, philosophy, and money) are the ones that differentiate human from animal..

I have no problem with vegetarians (infact I used to be one before i discovered i liked how meat tasted ;) just around the time I was 20) but i find the premise of equating humans with animals as unworthy..

that is a lame brained way to go about things blaze. once that is your premise-you better start controlling all the sinning. I prefer to see you as a good individual thinker. someone striving to make the best decisions, take the right choices and put them into action. will you screw up occasionally? sure. but you'll learn and get right back to the good choices. why? because it's part of being Man.
"Man has a single basic choice: to think or not, and that is the gauge of his virtue. Moral perfection is an unbreached rationality—not the degree of your intelligence, but the full and relentless use of your mind, not the extent of your knowledge, but the acceptance of reason as an absolute." AR, For the New Intellectual, Lexicon

this is my issue with the organized part of it. if one could agree to disagree on the religion of Christianity, but then when you look at each denomination and the rules and rituals for each-that certainly isn't very individualistic. heck-the Catholics didn't even want their parishioners to read the bible. and then we have Kings changing Bible versions, and we have some chanting in tongues and wrestling snakes....

How so? unless we believe that we are completely perfect and do everything correctly, in thought or otherwise. I would rather see myself as a 'sinner' than perfect, I provide less disappointment to others as well as myself.

You are exactly right one other thing that conflicts with liberalism is Christianity believes in one ultimate truth, and that is God, liberalism believes in relativism or moral collectivism as I call it. And yes Christ was a radical for his day. Back then the Pharisee's were the interpreters and law bringers of God's word, no one else could read scripture only the pharisee's could which lead to corruption and a power base for them to perpetuate whatever they wanted by saying "this is what God wants" Christ was a threat to them.

Point given.

You are spot on with your factual statement. Liberals love to say that Christ was a pacifist. That is such a croc of BS. Did Christ really tolerate evil? You make the call. Did Christ uphold the traditions of men? You make the call. Ok, I can't take it, here's the spoiler: NO.

He was not a pacifist; because he knew (via the Holy Spirit) what was in men's hearts, he was able to stop them in their tracks. He challenged the "establishment" of the day and ridiculed them for not upholding God's law, but rather the traditions of men. When Christ saw something wrong, he challenged it. He did not "tolerate" anything that was not in accordance to the Father's Word.

The point is, liberals are wrong about Christ. Don't believe them. Don't believe me, read the Bible and read it for yourself.

What I'm sick of is Islamist kill (because Mohammed commanded them to) and kafirs (everybody who isn't a muslim) hide. Those who choose not to hide and instead fight them are labled as "haters", "warmongers" and other leftist nonsense. These people are dhymmis.

um, look at my posts to lionel

I'd like to see some specific examples of Christ being a socialist. Just curious. Religious? Duh. A relationship with Christ is a (gasp) individual one, not collective.

If he likes AR, he can't be too bad right?

"Why does Man need a code of values"
Sin does not not need to be a part of this answer.
"Life or death is man’s only fundamental alternative. To live is his basic act of choice. If he chooses to live, a rational ethics will tell him what principles of action are required to implement his choice. If he does not choose to live, nature will take its course. " (Causality vs. Duty, Philosophy Who Needs It, AR, Lexicon)

good point