The Soft Side Of Dagny

Posted by khalling 11 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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At 15512 on Kindle:
"A young woman lay stretched on the sun-flooded planks, watching a battery of fishing rods. She glanced up at the sound of the car, then leaped to her feet in a single swift movement, a shade too swift, and ran to the road. She wore slacks, rolled above the knees of her bare leg, she had dark, disheveled hair and large eyes.

"Hello, John! When did you get in?" she called.

"This morning," he answered, smiling and driving on.

Dagny jerked her head to look back and saw the glance with which the young woman stood looking after Galt. And even though hopelessness, serenely accepted, was part of the worship in that glance, she experienced a feeling she had never known before: a stab of jealousy.

"Who is that?" she asked.

"Our best fishwife. she provides the fish for Hammond's grocery market."

"What else is she?"

"You've noticed that there's a 'what else' for every one of us here? she's a writer. The kind of writer who wouldn't be published outside. She believes that when one deals with words, one deals with the mind."

I credit rockymountainpirate for reminding me of this scene in AS. This is a rare glimpse of Dagny examining her emotions and empathizing with another. A poignant, human understanding and connection with romantic love. For the young girl, it goes unrequited-but Dagny feels a stab of jealousy regardless. I thought it would be fun to explore that scene a little and Dagny's first experience with jealousy. Is the scene used to foreshadow that her feelings for Hank will not be what she will experience falling in love with Galt? Is the scene actually to demonstrate the softer side of Dagny? Dagny the woman-not Dagny the railroad industrialist. Any thoughts?

As an aside: I read that this scene was in part a Hitchcock-esque cameo for Rand. If so, how interesting that the young writer is almost portrayed as Galt keeping her "innocent and pure" in the Gulch. As we know, that writer would be published "out there" and achieve the prominence of one the most important thinkers of the 20th century.


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  • Posted by bryan_ogilvie 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    BOOYAH! I'm planning to post something from The Fountainhead tomorrow (got to head back home to look up).

    Gotta love it.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “Love is blind, they say; sex is impervious to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man’s sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy on life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he’s taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment–just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!–an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire.” AR Atlas Shrugged
    hey! this is perfect for the Bunny Ranch post
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  • Posted by $ minniepuck 11 years, 10 months ago
    the scene may just be to show that Dagny has developed feelings for John. however, because Rand was so methodical and thorough, I wouldn't be surprised if she intended for this scene to carry more weight. what writers intend to reveal in scenes or not is always an interesting topic. it reminds me of an article i read. in 1963, a teenager wrote to various writers (Rand included) and asked them about intentional addition of symbolism. if you're interested, here it is:

    http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2011/...

    Rand's response cracked me up. i really wish she had responded to the question just to know how conscientious she was with her fiction. a member here, amagi, mentioned the other day that she met Rand and asked the author if she knew what the Scandinavian definitions of Ragnar and Dagny were. amagi said that Rand was not aware of their meaning, in which case it's just a happy coincidence that their roles match their names' definitions (Ragnar = happy warrior while Dagny = new day), although a reader could certainly say that Rand did this intentionally. i think that readers take in a lot more meaning than what authors consciously include in their art, but that's part of the beauty of writing stories and releasing them to the world.

    EitherOr mentioned the scene with Dagny on the train where she is enjoying Halley's music being whistled. i agree that it's a good example of dagny displaying her softer side. at this point in the story, Dagny wasn't yet on the "flight or fight" response. she was able to be in enough of a relaxed state-of-mind to let the right side of her brain have its enjoyment. her world wasn't perfect and not everything was pleasant, but she wasn't yet fighting the system the way she spends the rest of the book doing. the next time Dagny is able to relax is also the next time we clearly see her express an emotion that isn't sexual (oh, there's another topic: was dagny's sexual affair with hank an emotionally one or not?) is when she's in the gulch with John. the world is horrible outside, but she's found common ground in the haven with that select group of men and women. because she doesn't have to fight in the gulch, she can relax enough to be the person she might have been able to be in the outside world if the country hadn't been pushed to its tipping point by the moochers. i imagine that, should the story have continued after dagny re-entered the gulch, we would have eventually met a character displaying a better balance of intellect and sensualism. it's clear that dagny is multifaceted and capable of emotion; the reader just doesn't get to see too much of her softer side in the portion of dagny's story that Rand chose to write.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    wow. how did I miss this comment? I follow both you and eitheror for your sage. excellent analysis. wish I could give you 10 points
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I remember a Rand quote something like "Tell me who a man sleeps with and I'll tell you what he values".
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  • Posted by jbaker 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am going to Private Message you Maritimus. Please try to post a comment and edit again. Yesterday, we put in a change that I hope may alleviate your issue.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you. It is a complicated situation. We are waiting ro receive a fiber optic Internet connection in our new house, here in the boonies. Right now, I have to live with a wireless hotspot, to VPN to my LAN, as my desktop and server are still in Albany, NY. I will upgrade and update both hardware and software once I am able to set up here. So, for the time being, I will have to do perfect writing and spelling and live without editing. Having thick fingers, the results will be mediocre at best.
    Does the latest version of Internet Explorer wotk with your editing?
    Thanks again.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah. That's probably your problem right there. We'll see what we can do. In the meantime, have you considered upgrading to a more modern browser (e.g. Chrome, Firefox)?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course she was a fornicator; she had sex in the book, didn't she? She became an adulterer, iirc, after Hank was already banging Dagny.

    Sleeping with your partner's friend is worse. You don't get horrible diseases from someone undermining your business.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it would be his guilty feelings about being an adulterer. Rightfully so.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe that's because you can relate to them more and more. Me, the only characters I could really relate to are Jeff Allen, Owen Kellogg, and the Wet Nurse.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, you're saying Rearden was always just a fuckbuddy for Dagny... making her even more of a lowlife.

    yeah, it was about finding "the one"... which in this case is the most alpha male. Otherwise "the one" would be Rearden (or Francisco) because it wouldn't matter that she had to be there whenever he needed her.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rearden was easy to manipulate and never his true complete self, even around Dagny .She always had to be strong and withstand everything for him. She had to do be there whenever he needed her. Ugh too much work!
    Francisco was a close second to Galt. He was the unobtainable. Francisco had something greener on the other side syndrome. Everything was always on his schedule when it suited him. With him she always felt she had to stand strong. He left her alone to fight all on her own. Francisco made the choice for both of them and he just wasn't there for her. She could torture herself over him and try to have faith in him but eventually she had to chose what was best for her.

    It wasn't about finding the alpha male, it was about finding the one. John Galt was the one that was there when no one else was. He was the one that was there in her darkest times. He was the one that was strong enough to carry her when she needed to be, a shoulder to rest her head on. He was the one that saw all of her suffering and the obstacles she faced. He also saw the strength that continuously carried her pushing her to move forward. With Galt she didn't have to hide her strength or her weakness, he challenged her to be her true self. He was the one she could trust like no other He was satisfied with the person he was and He wasn't going to put on an act to win anyone's approval. She could be strong around him and he wouldn't be threatened. He had to be able to count on her when he needed it too. It wasn't a fight to see who wins, it was what was necessary for her to want to come to him unrestrained freely and totally and share herself with him and he with her.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can edit for 15 minutes after you comment Martimus. Look for the "Edit" link underneath your comment.
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