The Soft Side Of Dagny

Posted by khalling 11 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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At 15512 on Kindle:
"A young woman lay stretched on the sun-flooded planks, watching a battery of fishing rods. She glanced up at the sound of the car, then leaped to her feet in a single swift movement, a shade too swift, and ran to the road. She wore slacks, rolled above the knees of her bare leg, she had dark, disheveled hair and large eyes.

"Hello, John! When did you get in?" she called.

"This morning," he answered, smiling and driving on.

Dagny jerked her head to look back and saw the glance with which the young woman stood looking after Galt. And even though hopelessness, serenely accepted, was part of the worship in that glance, she experienced a feeling she had never known before: a stab of jealousy.

"Who is that?" she asked.

"Our best fishwife. she provides the fish for Hammond's grocery market."

"What else is she?"

"You've noticed that there's a 'what else' for every one of us here? she's a writer. The kind of writer who wouldn't be published outside. She believes that when one deals with words, one deals with the mind."

I credit rockymountainpirate for reminding me of this scene in AS. This is a rare glimpse of Dagny examining her emotions and empathizing with another. A poignant, human understanding and connection with romantic love. For the young girl, it goes unrequited-but Dagny feels a stab of jealousy regardless. I thought it would be fun to explore that scene a little and Dagny's first experience with jealousy. Is the scene used to foreshadow that her feelings for Hank will not be what she will experience falling in love with Galt? Is the scene actually to demonstrate the softer side of Dagny? Dagny the woman-not Dagny the railroad industrialist. Any thoughts?

As an aside: I read that this scene was in part a Hitchcock-esque cameo for Rand. If so, how interesting that the young writer is almost portrayed as Galt keeping her "innocent and pure" in the Gulch. As we know, that writer would be published "out there" and achieve the prominence of one the most important thinkers of the 20th century.


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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 10 months ago
    Here's one of my favorite parts, and it shows Dagny's feelings and love of life:
    Chapter 7, The John Galt Line:
    Once, when she was sixteen, looking at a long stretch of Taggart track, at the rails that converged - like the lines of a skyscraper-to a single point in the distance, she had told Eddie Willers that she had always felt as if the rails were held in the hand of a man beyond the horizon-no, not her father or any of the men in the office-and some day she would meet him.
    She shook her head and turned away from the window.
    She went back to her desk. She tried to reach for the reports. But suddenly she was slumped across the desk, her head on her arm. don't, she thought; but she did not move to rise, it made no difference, there was no one to see her.
    This was a longing she had never permitted herself to acknowledge. She faced it now. She thought: If emotion is one's response to the things the world has to offer, if she loved the rails, the buildings and more: if she loved her love for them-there was still one response, the greatest, that she had missed. She thought: To find a feeling that would hold, as their sum, as their final expression, the purpose of all the things she loved on earth...To find a consciousness like her own, who would be the meaning of her world, as she would be of his...No, not Francisco d'Anconia, not Hank Rearden, not any man she had ever met or admired...A man who existed only in her knowledge of her capacity for an emotion she had never felt, but would have given her life to experience...She twisted herself in a slow, fail movement, her breasts pressed to the desk; she felt the longing in her muscles, in the nerves of her body.
    Is that what you want? Is it as simple as that? she thought, but knew that it was not simple. There was some unbreakable link between her love for her work and the desire of her body; as if one were the completion of the other-and the desire would never be satisfied, except by a being of equal greatness.
    Her face pressed to her arm, she moved her head, shaking it slowly in negation. She would never find it. Her own thought of what life could be like, was all she would ever have of the world she had wanted. Only the thought of it- and a few rare moments, like a few lights reflected from it on her way-to know, to hold, to follow to the end...
    She raised her head.
    On the pavement of the alley, outside her window, she saw the shadow of a man who stoood at the door of her office.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No ivory towers there. :) Rand loved life...sometimes that includes being barefoot and fishing and perhaps it's another thing she never experienced... ?
    And the tranquility, the scenery, the visual of someone who is producing even if it's not their chosen trade for the time being and loving it all the same, the comradery of being around like minded individuals and the peaceful comfort they all feel (oh whoa whoa whoa whoa) of being in that environment. The list of pluses goes on and on with this scene
    ---SO much of the book resonated with me I can't remember them all...but when I was reminded of this part recently it knocked me over because a couple of paragraphs covering about 10 seconds of time is so full of meaning. You can't read that and not have a happy sigh reaction.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think Rand, the novel writer, wanted all her characters full of "humanness" and that Rand, the philosopher, demanded John.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hmmm. how do you explain the "stab of jealousy" then?
    I completely agree with your last point.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that making Dagny fall for John over Hank is a deliberate move to stress reason over emotion. To me, John has less "humanness" than any of Rand's major characters.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It may be in the script already. So this scene resonated with you when you read the book too? I'm trying to imagine Rand barefoot with jeans rolled up to her knees, possibly chewing on a long stalk of grass. Although iconic if you grew up in the sticks, kind of comical for a serious intellectual urbanite. the "she's our best fishwife" is also a little self-poke.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah. It's a little sad. But enlightened hind site can be like that sometimes. I really hope that scene makes it into the movie. It's multifaceted and layered with meanings. And it would work as Dagny's (and the viewers') intro to the gulch... it would accomplish so much in so little time. Who do we call??
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
    Would AS be published "out there" in a time when the government is crippling the producers and people are galting? I think that was her point. That, right then, the fishwife's writings would get stifled. I think Ayn Rand wrote her books when she wrote them partly because she knew later might be too late...and she'd already lived through 'later' once in her life and knew what it looked like. It was another warning about the government wanting to control the meaning of certain words and language.
    Also, how a young Ayn Rand would behave in the presence of a John Galt. She got to explore that a bit. Something she longed to experience and never did.
    Thank you for posting this. As every one of Rand's passages are, it's brilliantly written.
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  • Posted by $ EitherOr 11 years, 10 months ago
    My copy of AS has a photo of Rand in it, so I remember picking up on the Hitchcock-cameo right away. I thought it was Rand's way of writing in self-deprecation and praise at the same time. If Dagny feels jealousy, she sees the fishwife as a threat, which means (if only for a moment) Dagny has marked her as an equal. Which is a major compliment. And to turn your question around, I thought it revealed the soft side of Rand.

    The first time we meet Dagny is a great example of her soft side-- the reader sees her on the train where she takes a moment to feel the music of Richard Halley and talk with the brakeman. Then transition to Jim's office where he says "You don't feel anything!"
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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder if it is...Any way they can give Dagny a full range of emotions will be good. I'm trying to think of other scenes where there is a good range to display. The scene with Hank she is soft-but he interrupts her and doesn't want her to show that side to him in that discussion. hmmm
    The scene is in the book for a reason, and we're in Dagny's head and it's about emotions.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 10 months ago
    I really enjoyed reading this part in the book. It is a powerful scene that counters the naysayers claims that Rands protagonists are just cold and greedy and care for nothing but profit. KH you said it best when you said this is a rare glimpse of Dagny examining her emotions and empathizing with another. It powerfully shows her humanness, and that of other producers as well.

    This scene should be included into the movie.
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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 10 months ago
    Ah yes. 'What else is she?' Dagny the industrialist is asking what else does she do? but does Dagny the woman also mean 'What is she to you?'.
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