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Attending Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral

Posted by dbhalling 10 years ago to Culture
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This was from a friend of mine

So on Sunday as a gesture to Mary Ellen who is nominally Catholic, and to Cory we attended mass at the magnificent (usually) St. Patrick's cathedral.

Mass was poorly attended and the entire of the interior of the cathedral was a huge mass of scaffolding. Here is symbolic point number 1: the work is presumably being done to repair the crumbling structure of the church building having not been maintained for many decades. I.e., I don't think they are doing this to create some incredible new vision of the cathedral. The sermon was very hard to follow due to the poor sound system and the priest was at the altar that seemed to be a mile away. The cathedral was slightly cool and dark and it was bright and hot outside. Probably close to the experience by a typical medieval mass goer. Believe it or not the sermon as best as I could make out was that we shouldn't concentrate on the seen, but that would should concentrate on the unseen and the life hereafter. That's what really counts. There were two collections and so I dropped a 20 for each collection. Here is the kicker - get ready for it. I didn't feel anything particularly one way or the other and as we sauntered out the bright sunlight hit me full force and what did I see right in front of me in all of its glory? The statue of Atlas boom right in front of me! I thought that that was so shocking and such a contrast to the whole mass experience that I just had to share it with you. I will leave it to you to connect the dots and write an essay about it and let me know what it all means if you ever feel like it.



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  • Posted by greenberet 10 years ago
    Whenever I go to NYC I always make that statue a required stop. It's as good a reminder as a $ sign of Atlas Shrugged. Go down into the plaza of Rockefeller center and you'll see a great statue of Prometheus. In downtown Walnut Creek California you'll see a large gold head statue with water bubbling out the top ergo The Fountainhead. We're all out there-just keep an eye out for the signs
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 10 years ago
    So he pitched in $40 in aupport of a doctrine of benightedness, superstition and mind-killing obedience. Or was it to help the building fund to repair a specimen of antique architecture that is a monument to the grandeur to which humans aspire, though sadly misdirected at an imaginary entity rather than to their own magnificent potential?
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  • Posted by gaiagal 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I was raised Catholic and was a first grader when we began to attend the parish of American Martyrs. The name alone should be indicative of what the sculptures, stained glass and figurines depicted. I had nightmares for years. This is what happened to the folk who tried to do good - all I could think of was how could I possibly avoid even greater punishment when it seemed as if I was always breaking one rule or another - such as "Don't fight with your sister." Such were the thoughts of a first-grader.
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  • Posted by radical 10 years ago
    I find it to be a friend of a liberal since his or her beliefs threaten my freedom, privacy, and prosperity.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years ago
    As a 'teen, I had two Catholic friends. Both Irish, and both pre-alcoholics. They thought it would be fun if I went to confession with them. So I did. Not being Catholic, everything was new and odd to me. I knew just enough about the religion to be ignorant. Behaind a dais, I guess it was the altar was a very large sculpture in what appeared to be wood, of this poor fellow nailed to a cross with a large wound in his side. There was lots of blood, on his head, wrists, side, and ankles. Frankly, it scared the hell out of me, but I guess that what what it was supposed to do. Long story short, they talked me into taking conession. They clued me in on the ritual, and not without a little trepidation I entered the confessional. "Forgive me father...." I decided to tell the priest everything. He was silent for a long while. I think if it was up to him, I'd still be saying Hail Marys and Our Fathers. Later they told me he was known at St. Cecilia's as the "Hell Priest" for his strictness.
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. Still remember that the Catholic Church is not as monolithic as it would like to be.
    ' Given that poorly defined and enforced property rights lie at the heart of so many environmental problems, especially in poor countries, this whole area is a big omission from this encyclical. ' from
    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commenta...
    The UK's Lord Monckton, a real climate expert, is a staunch Catholic, I wonder if he will comment.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I was also raised a Catholic. I'm currently sort of a Methodist but I won't go into all that.
    If you want to see Medieval, attend a Catholic funeral mass, which is not as extremely ritualistic as I recall a regular daily Catholic mass to be.
    I with family attended my father's Catholic funeral this month after his body had to be transported from another state to Alabama to be buried beside my mother.
    Among those viewing the mass were my adopted daughter and her brand new husband both with Protestant childhood backgrounds.
    My son had seen my mother's funeral mass but I had to remind him that the "smelly smoking stuff" was called incense.
    Off and on, the swings of an incense burner was paraded up and down and also so were the sprinkles of holy water.
    When my dad's coffin received a healthy walk-around sprinkle of holy water, I could not help but think, "That should keep away the evil spirits after Dad's been dead a whole week."
    Guess modern Catholics would just call that a purification rite and say no more.
    After the mass, I remarked to my daughter and her husband, "Bet you never saw anything like that."
    The hubby just somberly nodded and nicely asked if they could skip the graveside service.
    I graciously told them that everything was cool. "Be safe."
    Both my parents now lie side-by-side after receiving the all the Catholic rituals and rites they wanted. That's all that matters.
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  • Posted by $ kddr22 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Jefferson also said: I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, religion, philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend ...
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years ago
    Dale, I presume there's no need to thank your friend for supporting the child rape centers of America? Or the totally wacko environmentalist/communist Pope - the one that called weapons manufacturers (and, by extension, users) - non-Christians? Which must include his own Swiss Guard? Or perhaps he prefers the methods and goals of his predecessor, Pius XI, who delivered the Chancellorship to Hitler? I know, I’m harsh on the pious and humble Catholics – but shouldn’t they consider whom and what they are supporting?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years ago
    In NYC, Atlas hasn't shrugged yet. I'm still waiting for Francisco's banner. It's not much longer until 9/2.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    hear hear. I was raised catholic but the few times I have been in a church, especially a catholic church, as an adult I am always struck at how Dark Ages the whole thing is.
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years ago
    I recognize the situation and the experience.
    Friendships are valuable and to support our friends we join them in rituals they find important tho' are without meaning to us. This should be seen only for what it is, friendship and not support of the ideology behind the ritual.
    There are two religious events I have attended in recent years, one was unpleasant from start to finish, in the other I felt ok at the time but looking back, I have some disquiet.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years ago
    Wow...reality at the gates of a ramshackle sermon. That's good stuff.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
    I love, love the description. just a couple of weeks ago I was admiring my signed poster with that very sculpture. how beautiful. how important a symbol
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