Atlas Shrugged Part III Galt Speech

Posted by deleted 12 years, 8 months ago to Movies
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Any opinions or details on how Galt's speech will be handled in the movie? The actual speech is quite lengthy and so may not be exactly reasonable for the movie, but is arguably the best and most important part of the novel. So, how will this be handled? Will it be shortened to appeal to the viewer or kept lengthy for the Objectivist fans?


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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Young Capitalist was spot on when he said How would you make it better? you have a ton of criticism, but no answers. If you have ideas, let's hear them.
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  • Posted by TheYoung-Capitalist 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you all knowing? Because if you are mad at the producers of the movie for making a movie that is not appealing to the public, then just say so. Many sound ideas today are not appealing to the public such as freedom,bill of rights, or any idea that does not have the label government on them. That includes Ayn Rand, so naturally any movie about any of these things would be shunned from the public.
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am impressed... not a bit religious either... I often wonder why people hate the successful and I have come to my own conclusion that it is because, it makes them look bad... that they aren't successful or they aren't happy because they haven't earned it. I don't understand the hate that lies behind it... but I don't think I want to. I do believe there is lots of evil in this world, and it is caused by the undeserving... meaning they haven't earned anything in their lives and therefore have no pride in themselves... life is precious and we have to strive for a better us in that and yes, rejoice in what we feel success is in our lives... hey, there aren't many darrens in here, he's a newbie also, but not the kind that will stay around for long...
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    Posted by darren 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >>>how would you make the movies to incorporate a larger audience while keeping the message of capitalism?

    Good question. I'll provide a fuller, more complete reply later on when I have time to do so, but for now I'll merely paraphrase old Jack Warner: If you want to send a message, go to Western Union; don't make a movie.

    You never have to worry about "keeping a message" or "sending a message" with a movie because then it becomes didactic lecturing rather than entertaining storytelling. Worry about focusing in on the essential story elements like character traits and plot, and you won't need to worry about the message: the message will be there (it cannot NOT be there). Just be concerned with the craft of telling the story and you'll tell it successfully.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You obviously haven't read the book or the speech or perhaps you just don't get it....like so many other lame people. I'm happy to be a part of the "niche" that gets it.... Who ARE you??
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Darren, the answer is quite simple: we have different opinions on what a movie should be. When I think of a movie, I think of an educational one. I see a movie as a learning tool, not some adventure that is over and gone in the blink of an eye. The majority of the public nowadays views it differently. They see a movie as an inexpensive joyride to an alternate dimension that they may never visit, but gain the joy of seeing it come and go. Those movies can be exciting at times, but I find greater joy in something long-lasting. It is all a matter of opinion.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    darren, you're clearly worked up about this. what skin do you have in the game?
    I did not see a literal transcription. and although I do see respect for Randian scholars, I did not see a sub-par production. If you have ideas, hey, bring them forward. we have an ear in here. but don't bite the ear that's listening, :)
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kathy, I am new to the Gulch, if that is what you meant. I am far from new to Objectivism and Ayn Rand, though, for I have been an Objectivist since about the day I began to understand philosophy. And I agree...I am far from religious (pretty much as atheist as they come) but when I need the most help, I look for: "What is the nature if the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin?" And keep reading to my heart's content. I love this part so much because it shows a different point of view to this myth. The religious point being that knowledge and the state of being human as "evil" and the Objectivist view that it is what we should strive for and rejoice the fact the we have these.
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    Posted by darren 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well that's 3 people so far. Enough for a midnight screening inside the concession workers' bathroom. (And to think some believe AS is niche movie!)

    And in any case, the question from my original post was not "who would pay good money", but "why would anyone pay good money."

    So once more:

    **WHY**would anyone pay good money to hear three hours of philosophy lecture in a movie theater when what he actually came to the theater for was to see a movie?
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ryan, I have found that when I am going through a rough time in my life, I read the whole AS book. When I don't have a lot of time and need a boost, I read JG's speech. It has every answer to why things are happening and what causes it... Galt is real in each and every one of us... welcome to the Gulch... you are new?
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  • Posted by TheYoung-Capitalist 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok. I have to admit that you have good background information, but how can you say that "I'm even more of a capitalist than the producers"? if you were that then how would you make the movies to incorporate a larger audience while keeping the message of capitalism?... It's a lot harder to think about a solution than to complain about it, right? I have read your posts in this thread and all I have seen is pointing fingers in a movie critic fashion. Of course they could of made the movie better in more ways than one, but on the other hand if you have read the book you probably have a better imagination than any movie producer could match. My interpretation of the movies is to get the people that have not read the book to read the book.

    As for the speech it could be broken up into parts and as the movie strings along so does the speech but I think the bare bones part should be where it was intended to be.
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    Posted by darren 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >>>Oh, what I would give for Galt to be real and to hear his speech! I would beg him to repeat it for hours on end and pay him exactly what he deserves for it

    You're a religious fanatic who loves hearing his favorite passage from Scripture spoken over and over again.

    Very laudable, I'm sure. But what does any of that have to do with making a movie? I'll tell you:

    Nothing.
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    Posted by darren 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >>> is money good or bad?

    "To pay good money" is an idiomatic expression in English. You've never heard it? The word "good" is pleonastic with the word "money."

    >> Are you sure you read the book?

    Quite sure. Are you sure you've read anything other than Atlas Shrugged? Any books on English idioms, for example?

    >> It would be the best thing they ever spent their money on, if they had a brain...

    You should tell people that before they decide to spend good money on it; perhaps you'd sell more tickets.

    The sign of a competent producer is: "If our movie bombed at the box office AND the critical reviews were uniformaly appalling, perhaps it's something we're doing wrong. Maybe the writing stinks. Maybe the casting was absurd. Maybe the directing was unimaginative. Maybe a combination of all of these things." The sign of an incompetent producer is: "If our movie bombed both commercially and critically, it can only be because the average movie-goer today has no brains. It's not our fault! It's the public's fault! It's the culture's fault! It's modern philosophy's fault. Nothing's our fault! We couldn't help it!!"

    I see which side of the argument you're on.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree Kathy! Oh, what I would give for Galt to be real and to hear his speech! I would beg him to repeat it for hours on end and pay him exactly what he deserves for it...the finest tool an Objectivist can give: money. For that is what he would earn...due to his golden speech! <3
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey overman... I got your book today and the flag is flying, all I need is some Capt Morgan...Lol !!
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pay good money... is money good or bad? Are you sure you read the book? Money is a tool, to trade value for value. It would be the best thing they ever spent their money on, if they had a brain...
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    People aren't used to focusing on anything for that long...unless it's something empty like the Kardashians or Dancing with the Stars ilk.
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  • Posted by darren 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >>they are not compliant.

    Kelley was hired as an ideological compliance officer, to ensure that the screenwriting and the directing were "consistent with Objectivism."

    >>perhaps you are not a capitalist?

    I'm even more of a capitalist than the producers. I actually want to see a commercially successful movie version of AS that makes a profit because people want to see it, and not merely a literal transcription of a book, approved by a philosophy professor, and meant for a niche group of Rand's admirers.

    >>why are you in here?

    You should have asked *that* of the few audience members who paid good money for entertainment in a movie theater.
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