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And the republican joke fest begins

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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The circus has begun. Soon the infighting will commence and those who are decent among the republicans will be dropping out of the race, leaving us with the typical vermin to choose from. This nations government so desperately needs a colonic that the toxic sludge would likely kill everything in a 1000 mile radius.

Trump? Graham? Huckabee? Rubio? Christie? Pataki? Santorum? BUSH!?

This isn't a game, all the chips are on the table for the future of MY NATION. This is nothing less than disgusting.


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  • Posted by SamAnderson 10 years, 11 months ago
    Even a well meaning politician in the Presidency would be akin to Peter Keating trying to implement Roark's Cortland project. Between Congress and the entrenched bureaucrats even the best intended plans would be diluted and perverted.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      So what do you suggest? For one a well meaning President could reverse a bunch of executive orders. Nothing needed from Congress. as for entrenched bureaucracy. They all work for him. I'll use the military for example. General I have no confidence in you. i don't trust you. therefore i'm revoking your security clearance. No clearance - no commission, no commission no uniform. Report to personnel for discharge processing. Oh you don't have enough time to retire Major? Tough Shit. Should have thought of that earlier.Ahh bureaucrat! about that pay raise....vetoed. I'll make sure all your people know the cause. And the layoffs start tomorrow.

      Being careful not to disturb the sacred cows of retirement pay and social security and medicare of course.

      On the other hand weren't all of them going to be investigated?

      So if Obama can get away with it to further his purposes whatever they were. Why not Mr. well meaning?

      On the other hand we could just roll over and play dead.
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      • Posted by SamAnderson 10 years, 11 months ago
        No question, we need to work the 'lesser evil' angle. Even a hapless Keating (even with executive orders) is far better than a malevolent Toohey. (or Bush I,II, or III vs. Clinton I, Obama or Clinton II and etc.)
        I'm suggesting that no one person is likely to be able to use the tools currently available to peacefully change a dysfunctional infrastructure that has been 100+ years in the making.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
          No deals, No quarter. No evil by any description. there is no lesser or greater evil. There is only evil and those who support evil.

          I'm beginning to smell blood, fear and above all I smell victory.
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          • Posted by SamAnderson 10 years, 11 months ago
            Evil: such a effortlessly defined entity. If only it were that simple...
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
              nothing hard about it. In politics if they are Democrat or Republican they seek total control over citizens. That's the definition of left wing and likewise the defintion of evil. If you find that difficult there are two books I'd recommend Das Kapital and Mein Kampf. Same philosophy same kind of people



              Next we'll do Humor.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
        Ahh bureaucrat! about that pay raise....vetoed. I'll make sure all your people know the cause. And the layoffs start tomorrow.

        Being careful not to disturb the sacred cows of retirement pay and social security and medicare of course.

        On the other hand weren't all of them going to be investigated?

        So if Obama can get away with it to further his purposes whatever they were. Why not Mr. well meaning?

        On the other hand we could just roll over and play dead.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
        Ahh bureaucrat! about that pay raise....vetoed. I'll make sure all your people know the cause. And the layoffs start tomorrow.

        Being careful not to disturb the sacred cows of retirement pay and social security and medicare of course.

        On the other hand weren't all of them going to be investigated?

        So if Obama can get away with it to further his purposes whatever they were. Why not Mr. well meaning?

        On the other hand we could just roll over and play dead.
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  • Posted by Ironman1 10 years, 11 months ago
    Carson?
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 11 months ago
      He would make a great Surgeon General, but while he understands economics and business far better than most politicians, I don't think he's versed enough in either fundamental rights (2nd amendment in particular), foreign diplomacy, or military matters to be a good President at this point. He might make a good VP candidate though.
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      • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 11 months ago
        I agree. While it is refreshing to hear someone from a disadvantaged background articulate conservative principles, my support disappeared when he said he would support restrictions on 2nd amendment rights. In an interview, he stated "It depends on where you live... I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it." I'm sorry, but the second amendment states that this is an unrestricted right.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
          Where in the Second Amendment did you find THAT? It's restricted in the first few words. You need to be looking at the ninth and tenth. Restricting is not a power granted. the Second only defines the use. the Federal governments only controlling power is regulations governing the military by congress. It's an assumption of power no less illegal than the forcing everyone to pay for Chevy that was never going to be built or delivered.
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          • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 11 months ago
            Um, maybe we should all read it here once again.

            "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

            "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty clear to me, but then I'm not an attorney. <sarcasm /off>
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
              Remember in the the context of the time in which it was written. The first part is the mission statement in our parlance the second part is how it is to be done. It was written for thirteen independent nations that had decided to become one country but wanted protection from that which they had just left. Well regulated is covered in the section on Congress charged with writing the regulations to govern the use of the military and later on when the National Guard was formed from state militias the federal government deemed state militias and invalid. However the second part was how to arm the militia. Back then everyone had a rifle.or musket bingo. You bring your own.

              None of which covers self protection except as part of military formation or living on the frontier or hunting .

              Now show me in the Constitution where those three things are the sole domain of the federal or for that matter a state government? self-defense, hunting, location of housing which right now is not the frontier but the hood.

              The right was never granted to the central government. It may have been granted to the individual 13 now 50 States and if so is probably different in each State. But if not it's a power not granted. So let's assume the feds are right and the National Guard makes your state irrelevant. All that does is make the USA the State that needs protecting by a well regulated militia. In that case we would be under the Swiss system where soldiers keep their rifles in their homes.

              So the use of the Second Amendment at best and only if the state chooses to have a formal militia formation and some do puts you on a call up list. As far as your individual right is concerned it's a very weak reed especially in a nation that has turned it's back on the Constitution in favor of Executive Orders or simply by ignoring it. And has formed a protective echelon to back up that particular.

              I can point at least five major (every four years) elections as my evidence.

              The stronger defense is show me where the right of self-defense, target shooting, hunting and the like rights granted to government. You will hear a loot of booshwah about not needed but the need is absolute. You can't plink targets without a plinker. It's much the stronger argument and has NEVER been amended nor has that been attempted far as I know. Simply saying it isn't needed means jack. The only way the left can deal with it is ignore the Constitution and make show their fascist face only to clearly

              and no you can't start your own militia only the State Government can do that.

              You will recall Arlen Specter made a spectacle of himself in showing the face of American fascist extremism on this very point.

              State Militias used or not and they do serve one or two purposes these days. One is to take charge of the local armories when the Guard unit is activated. Another might be working with employers on the rights of Guard members returning from initial training or a longer term activation.

              Do I like it? No. But wishful thinking and misinterpretation (and by the way the Supreme Court has consistently ruled the same way) or worse redefining the way the left does gets us nowhere.

              The battleground is rights not granted. and citizen responsibility and the recall and getting none of the above on the ballot and reclaiming the Constitution and making any adjustments the citizens want and they don''t want following without benefit of misinterpretation or changing the meanings and intents.

              I'm beginning to wonder was 24 years Infantry worth the bother.
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              • Posted by KCLiberty 10 years, 11 months ago
                You are wrong on many levels. The context at the time of "well regulated" has nothing to do with Congressional regulations. "well regulated" at the time would be supplanted by "well equipped" or "well supplied" today. Meaning the people should have access to the best military-grade weapons. Especially if they need to form a militia to take on a foreign, or domestic, army - whether federal or a state. You should read the Federalist and Anti-federalist Papers to know the context. This was one area they agreed on.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                  Still the Congress has the Constitutional authority to issue regulations to all military which sort of trumps the other two opinion documents. There are no other levels absent an amendment. Context is useful and needed. It is not law.

                  Article one Section Eight

                  "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

                  To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

                  To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

                  And many other duties.

                  Which is why Department of Defense Regulations trump the lower levels and why the federal government pays 95% on average of the National Guard budget. All approved or required by Congress.

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              • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 11 months ago
                Self-protection and other lawful uses of firearms was covered in the Supreme Court decision on the District of Columbia v. Heller. They held that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Additionally, they stated in their decision that "The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms." In effect, they decoupled the first and second clauses of the Second Amendment. So don't let the lefties use the militia argument!
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                  Let's examine the rest of the story sticking just to those in the majority.

                  The Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation, such as concealed weapons prohibitions, the carrying of weapons in certain locations, laws imposing conditions on commercial sales, and prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. (It did not define dangerous and unusual other than of a type similar to those generally in use at the time the Constitution was written (single shot rifles and muskets and pistols)

                  It stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment. (Left it subject to interpretation.)

                  The Court found that the D.C. ban on handgun possession violated the Second Amendment right because it prohibited an entire class of arms favored for the lawful purpose of self-defense in the home. It similarly found that the requirement that lawful firearms be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock made it impossible for citizens to effectively use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense, and therefore violated the Second Amendment right.

                  (restricted to in the home)

                  Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun
                  (and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.[180])


                  The Court said it was unnecessary to address the constitutionality of the D.C. licensing requirement.(Thus failed to answer the question but assumed the right and evaded 9th and 10 Amendment issues.)


                  The outcome of D.C. v. Heller leaves some issues unanswered, including whether the Second Amendment restricts state regulation of firearms, and the standard for evaluating the constitutionality of other laws and regulations that impact the Second Amendment right. These issues will be the subject of future litigation.

                  Tell me again about no infringement?

                  Then again there is the habit of ignoring the constitution by current and former Presidents and let us not forget the above majority opinions laid out no less than five plus areas 'not visited by the Supreme Court and restricted the infringement to the home in a sixth.)

                  The rest was left up to the States and the lower courts although I did find that some states can authorize but not operate private militias.

                  Bueno. I concede uncoupled from membership in State Militias and do not concede

                  a. infringements as the plaintiff rights? were clearly infringed to exclude anything outside the home and in other ways

                  and b. powers not granted though they were granted to the States but not the federal government however they neatly sidestepped they had no power to grant rights to the States - it's the other way around. I think they knew it but did not want to admit it.

                  then sent it back to the States and lower courts with a clear message to continue infringements in an unexhausted and presumably presumptive list of other areas. Doesn't really meet the test of any definition on no infringement.

                  As for you lefties (being neither right nor left myself) 9th and 10th Amendments live and not visited by the Supreme Court is not a permission to assume powers not granted. Doing so openly is a Nuremberg Defense and open admission of guilt combined with a plea for clemency or leniency in sentencing. Tell Carville you need a better line of BS.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                PS I'm not an attorney either. I've got more self respect and that wasn't sarcasm.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                  Almost forgot...Some States are doing lot of powers not granted repudiation of federal law at the present time. Check into what your State is doing and see if you might be able to support them in this sort of effort. This is one of the battlegrounds where an enlightened and progressive state can shine the light and progress us back to Constitutional law. Might even find some one worth voting for! Now there's a happy thought.
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