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And the republican joke fest begins

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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The circus has begun. Soon the infighting will commence and those who are decent among the republicans will be dropping out of the race, leaving us with the typical vermin to choose from. This nations government so desperately needs a colonic that the toxic sludge would likely kill everything in a 1000 mile radius.

Trump? Graham? Huckabee? Rubio? Christie? Pataki? Santorum? BUSH!?

This isn't a game, all the chips are on the table for the future of MY NATION. This is nothing less than disgusting.


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 11 months ago
    I am not voting for Jeb Bush, but when he was governor of Florida, things improved dramatically, especially when he got rid of the intangibles (i.e. wealth) tax. Jeb is definitely a better governor than his father or his brother, but we can do better than Jeb.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago
    I will have to vote for whomever makes it through the political sieve and comes to the finals and 'who is not Hillary'. I cannot afford to vote based on whom I want, but must place my minute amount of power to exclude whomever would be worse.

    So far, Rand Paul is my preference. He has warts, but I can work around them.

    Jan
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
      This is the "wasted vote" phenomena. Why do you "have to vote" for the lesser of two evils? They are still evil. Why can't you "afford to vote based on whom [you] want"? Are you absolutely convinced that your vote is going to decide the election? Why not feel good about yourself and vote for the best candidate on the ballot (or write in the best candidate if allowed by the powers that be)? If we all did that the results might be surprising and actually advance the cause of liberty. Don't throw away your vote while holding your nose.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago
        This gets the Obama's elected. Always. We need to vote for the 'least stinky' in an iterative manner, each time pushing the envelope a bit further in the direction we want to go.

        'Feel good' does not figure into the decision.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
          Except for fifty years your system has failed to turn it in the right direction. Enough is enough. You vote for evil you tar your self. Go join the other side.
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          • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 11 months ago
            Having enthusiastically thrown myself into actually working on the Perot campaign I can sadly say that I helped elect Bill Clinton.

            Sorry, guys.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
              So you are going to quit and join the other side? If Clinton hadn't won then who? I seem to recall Bush wasn't it? Another member of the establishment who was famous for Read My Lips no new taxes. If nothing else the Populists proved our point by driving the Government Party system out into the open. You can't fix something until you know it's broken. I''d say the Perotistas did the country a major service. the snake isn't hiding under a rock or bush any more. My hat's off to all of your worthy efforts.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
          Your view is overwhelmingly accepted. How has it worked?
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          • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago
            It is most noticeable when it has not worked - when ideological splits amongst the anti-socialist voters have resulted in liberal gains.

            Jan
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
              Yeah, it's so clear that that the last six presidential elections resulted in steps away from liberty because of those "ideological splits." If only more people had voted for the lesser of two evils then we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. Perhaps we can bring about utopia by banning third party candidates altogether. Then we can be assured of Clinton/Bush control until Sasha and Malia are old enough to run.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                Which begs the question is being in a greater mess or a lesser mess more preferable. The same party won each of those six elections if you are referring to those who believe in complete control of the population and it was Bush who instituted the Directorate if Intenal State Security (DISS) sorry you know it as something else while wants it expanded to be more powerful than the military. I was shocked until I got to the end then realized you were pulling our leg big time. Go ahead and say it. Gotcha! I fell for it.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                you won't have to wait that long. Crown Princess Rodham dash something or another - unable to keep a job - has I'm told finished her third doctorate??? (Wow! That certainly beat a law degree and community organizer for a work record) and is being groomed to assume the throne - providing of course Obeyme abdicates.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
                  Third doctorate for Chelsea?? I don't believe it. If it were true, the media would be referring to her as Dr. Clinton.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                    Four degrees Bachelor and Masters from Stanford, Second Masters and Doctorate from Oxford. Did not take time out to visit Moscow. Employed by the Chelsea Clinton something or another Fund to combat infant deaths by diarrhea, fund recently in trouble over a 500 million dollar donation. flashed up at the same time. Occasionally part time employment. no real work record but is close to being a Mommy. which makes Hillary what a Great Great....lost count. This does not count the honorary degrees if any. Professional Student? does that count? On the other hand I'd bet she can quote the constitution far better than what's his name.
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
                      The doctorate from Oxford. In what field?
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                      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                        They were all Political Science but mostly in International Relations. I would think it helped the Professors as much as it did the students given her ability to contact people who worked in the field not to mention quotes from some of the senior staff. I would suspect a book deal next.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
                    Something my sister sent me. Third Doctorate for the Princess Royal and got married to somebody or another and is being groomed to assume the throne. Have to check on that:???
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      Being touted elsewhere in this group as a Constitutional Centrist or Libertarian or something he was quoted today as a Republican who wants to change the income tax code to a flat tax income tax code. Three strikes your out. Income tax is fascist socialist tax to control an individuals money. Any form of it changes nothing. And apparently he 's not an acceptable whatever he's a Republican which makes him straight up left wing..

      Had he said Libertarian in favor of an end user consumption tax that's one thing. But this guy is XXXXXXXXX'd off my list as another phony.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      Sorry to hear you've chosen to support evil

      Rand? Sounds like good news. He's having an operation? He's publicly resigning membership in and offering an apology for being a Republican? Mighty big wart.then running as a what. Centrist, Constitutionalist, Libertarian, Independent?

      There is no greater or lesser evil there is only evil. Get behind me.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 11 months ago
    Say what you will about Donald J. Trump. But he talks about things no one else wants to talk about. The worst name you could call him with any justice, is Captain Obvious.
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    • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 11 months ago
      I think DJT is a good choice for the simple fact that he cannot be bribed, he calls it like it is, and I believe everyone would be afraid of him.

      Simply, I think he would kickass and take names!!!
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    • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 11 months ago
      The problem with Trump is, it'll be his way, or "your fired".
      We had that with Carter, and Obama.
      He's a smart guy, and I think he's very capable. But, will he defer to the experts when it matters? I sort of think he might, but, I dunno.

      Plus from comments I've read on Yahoo news, apparently having a "comb-over" means you're not qualified for the job.

      I'll still stand with Rand.
      Anyone but the Crypt Keeper.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 11 months ago
        The conventional argument assumes the experts are (a) really all that "expert", and (b) acting in good faith. Trump rejects both assumptions as unwarranted, and even at variance with his own experience and observation. How can you prove him wrong? Do you especially *want* to prove him wrong?

        That being said, *his* argument assumes *he* is smarter than all those self-styled experts put together.
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        • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 11 months ago
          Trump gets the economy,and American exceptionalism, and the like.
          But, I would say, relative to foreign affairs and military engagement, would he defer to the experts.
          In this sense, experts would be the military, and "scholars" familiar with geopolitical situations.
          I think Trump is very smart and capable, but how knowledgeable is he on Central Europe history (for example)
          No doubt better than Obama.

          Trump also strikes me as the type that would get bored easily and lose interest. Out source the Presidency so he can do season 12 of The Apprentice.
          "Politicians" make a career of this, and want to create a name for themselves. Trump doesn't need to do this. If it got old, he'd go do something else. Presidency is like having a kid, you own it until it turns 18. you have to feed it and wipe its bum, like it or not.
          that's what concerns me about him.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 11 months ago
            So he makes up his mind to serve one term only, and to set up an "apprenticeship" system to find the most worthy successor. Imagine: "The Apprentice: White House Edition."
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            • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 11 months ago
              HA! I love it. It could be no worse then allowing the low information voters vote. Hell, they'd watch it and might learn something.

              I would pay to hear him say, Hillary, you're fired!
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              • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 11 months ago
                He might do something like that: invite candidates of all parties to "apprentice" with him. But they might be complete unknowns. Why? Because I don't think he would give two copper pieces from the Mulligan Mint for any current contender.
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            • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 11 months ago
              Might be a great idea!!! Think about it. At least THEN maybe ALL of the candidates would be asked hard questions instead of just the Conservatives. It would be better than debates and the electorate might actually get an unbiased view of each candidate!

              What do you think?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 11 months ago
    Jeb was a good governor. Not up to objectivist standards, but who is? An objectivist, in order to get elected would need to keep his beliefs from the general public and say the things that would get the nomination and then the presidency. There are two things wrong with that. He would become a liar and as a result would be committing a fraud. That would make him the same as Obama at first. If elected to office He might actually turn the country around if he stuck to his guns and his basic premises. But, what I have just described is pretty much what Obama has done, only he did it on collectivist side.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 11 months ago
    The Republican establishment is falling back on the old dictum of "it's his turn", and the selected anointed one is Jeb Bush. That will swing the money in his direction, making it difficult for any credible alternative to gain ground.

    I have an interesting scenario: Trump can fund his own candidacy, so the circus begins; but suppose Trump gets disgusted, decides it isn't a productive use of his time, and decides to throw his money behind another candidate he likes, just to undermine the established fossils?
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 11 months ago
      If you listened to him on Hannity, that's exactly why he's running: his disgust for the establishment Republicans.

      He's not currently in my top five because of his positions on welfare and SS (he wants to keep them), but he does see the problem of government interference in business and peoples' daily lives and wants to reduce it. He also espoused a great view on foreign diplomacy and "the Art of the Deal" which made a lot of sense. He also is willing to defend the Second Amendment, so I have to give him props for that.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      If George Soros can buy votes and that has been promoted curiously as a first amendment right why not Donald Trump. After all they live by the dictum I have the right without explanation to all your rights without exception. Then we could get a focus group of billionaires and let them ante up - winner takes all.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
      He can't easily "throw his money behind another candidate he likes" without risking violating campaign finance laws.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
        You mean the ones that take tax payer money and launder them through Davis Bacon Act union PACs in to campaign funds. A pox on your campaign finance laws they are designed to enrich the establishment congressional criminals and keep the country enslaved. Just like the insider trading laws. That's the first leg of the socialist triumverate using the second and third leg while they rip off those who produce the wealth they steal.Congress why not call them what they are the politbureau and reichstag combined. Only a fascist love would support any of them..
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 10 years, 11 months ago
          I don't support them at all. I was simply pointing out that Trump can't "throw his money behind another candidate" without risking criminal prosecution. So he won't do it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
    Feminazi's Are their any left. Certainly none that are taken seriously after the NOW turned it's back on it's Sisters in the nineties in favor of Bubble Cute Butt. they had their five seconds of fame and threw it away. Equal Rights and the -isms including the reverse -isms are too serious an issue to be left to a bunch of cackling losers and quitters. Geller deserves more support than that entire fraudulent bunch of Good Time Whoopie Rosies. I reckon if women ever get equal treatment rights and responsibilities it will take dragging them kicking and screaming and yes that includes the right to be drafted which is not proscribed in the Constitution. It only defines age limits for men.as in the context of the times they were the capable of heavy lifting cannon fodder while the women were left to weed the garden and relegated to the role of baby factories - which - thanks to the NOW feminazis and the huge lack of support from people like Hillary is where they remain to this day.

    I do not lace and feather the the whole group. Just the one mentioned and that is both, a Democrat and a Republican joke and one of the main planks of the Government Party. In the context of our times.

    Infifighting is nothing more than carefully scripted street theater to keep your attention on the immaterial and irrelevant. I see nothing in that list of names to waste time.

    Are any leaders left in the country?
    Any at all?
    Do they exist?
    Civilian or military?

    Are their any in the ranks of the what's it called Blue Dog Democrats or Republicans? If so why are they Democrats and Republicans? I think not. I see no evidence of such.

    Or is it over?

    If so...let's talk about serious issues like a new name USSA is being bandied about the world and certainly deserves consideration. Or a new flag? I seem to remember Comrade Hillary had a design for one..

    Is that what'it's come down too?

    Written with a very bitter tasting tongue in cheek as a parody of reality versus wishful thinking.

    Sometimes the Fiction Of Reality is harder to accept than the Reality of Fiction. But sooner or later acceptance is required.

    I''m in a disgusted mood this morning. Paulo Angelo shall return after my second cup of coffee
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    • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago
      United Socialist States of America?!

      Jan, washing her keyboard after typing that line
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
        It has a number of versions but that is the gist of it. Usually coupled with what happened to your country it's such a fascist police state anymore.

        I could only think to say ''we were sent to war and while our backs were turned....''
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 11 months ago
    I couldn't agree more, AJAshinoff. This is fugly.

    The only one I'd vote for at this point is Rand Paul. But, he won't be on the ticket. So, I'm going fishing with my kids, instead.

    What a f*&ing mess...
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years, 11 months ago
    I like the subtleness of the way you left out certain names in your list. Even though I cannot remember all of names you may have omitted, I can say I think I agree with you that the decent will be dropping out. Let me try to remember, hmmm, I can only think of Walker, and then there’s Doctor Ben Carson, and I think one or maybe two more, maybe not. Anyway, wouldn’t it be wonderful to actually have a president that had a good sense of humor, worked towards improving the country, and had the ability to lead, and to show his might and power when necessary (“tear down that wall”)? Or am I too old now and just dreaming?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      I'd settle for "Ask Not..." Or one who had a level of American English sufficient to understand the oath of office. But this '''notion'' of a ''fundamentally' two word vocabulary is a bit much to take.
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  • Posted by bsudell 10 years, 11 months ago
    You seem to have forgotten a few REALLY good candidates -- Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Scott Walker. Why is that? And everyone talks about only those that you mentioned. I'm ignoring everyone on your list because I will NEVER vote for any of them. I'm still not sure about Walker; he seems a little to establishment for me; but the others are definitely ALL establishment. It's Cruz or Paul and hoping they will join together and run for Pres/VP.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      republican, republican, republican all Government Party three strikes your out.

      Is there NO ONE?
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      • Posted by bsudell 10 years, 11 months ago
        Cruz is a Constitutional Conservative and Rand is a Constitutional Libertarian; both of whom fully support running government by our Constitution. They are my 1st choices. Not sure about Walker; I'm afraid that he is with the Republican establishment, which is the same as the Democrats.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
          That's a start. Now what are their weak points. The stuff Carville and company all the ismests (is em ists) and bigots will complain about. New word I just made it up. Or real concerns that would make status quo oh so preferable?

          Second are there any in the Republican Party or the Conservative Democrat ranks willing to break free and actually mean it. Not like the clown the Republicans loaned out to destroy the Populists heft campaign fund - second time around?
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          • Posted by bsudell 10 years, 11 months ago
            We shall learn their weaknesses and determine if WE consider them weaknesses; and we shall see how many Republicans and Conservative Democrats realize the real intent of the established Democrats and Republicans and decide to break free.
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  • Posted by RonC 10 years, 11 months ago
    The other problem with Trump is within 30 days he would either resign or pull out what left of his hair. He has always worked in a world where if he wants something done it happens before close of business today. In government, first they need to form a committee, if it's important a select committee. then they discuss it, debate it, send the proposal to the house, they add amendments and take a vote. On a good plan it will pass and be sent to the senate. Dependent on leadership in the senate, in may not even reach the floor, or it might be sent to another committee, or if your lucky go to the floor for debate. After debate, if there are no amendments it gets a vote. If it passes then it goes to President to be signed into law. If there were amendments in the senate, they take a vote and if it passes it goes back to the house for another vote on the changes. By the time Trump gets his idea back in the form of a bill it has so many additions from the amendments it is hardly recognizable and certainly not timely. IMHO that is why business titans avoid the presidential job. Timing is everything and momentum is key to progress. Trilateral government with checks and balances is not conducive to timing or momentum.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 11 months ago
      Since every act of the government hurts the country, it is only thanks to this build-in time delay that we still exist as a country in the first place. With the mouchers naturally gravitating toward government jobs, we would have been just like Greece a long time ago.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
    Too much serious pontificating and time for some humor. Some may wonder why there isn't a thread for Democrat Joke Fests. They have no sense of humor and are not funny. Nothing about them is funny. Except the long ears.Except for their VP. That's nothing. He's a clown. The rest are a joke. I now declare the 2015 Democrat Joke Fest over.and invite you to re-runs in 2016. If you didn't get it this time yiou won't get it a year from now but you WILL get in 2017. BOHICA!

    Smile it's not taxable...so far.

    and enhanceable.

    I wonder what clown thought that one up.

    The VP?

    Never happen. Word has four sylables.

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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 10 years, 11 months ago
    Rand Paul is the only one of the bunch I would consider voting for. It would be a completely unexpected sign of improving national health if we ended up with a contest between Rand Paul and Hilary Clinton. At least for once it would not be Tweedledee vs Tweedledum with only rhetorical differences.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
      ixnay he was touted as a Consitutional Centrist Libertarian and still came out as a Republican in favor of left wing socialist fascist income tax. not even close. Mark him lesser of two evils for pandering and waffling.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 10 years, 11 months ago
    Don't waste your time, and that includes voting.

    It is a sham, it is rigged. Bush and Hillary have already been selected, Hillary will get 4 years because she is a woman. Then, I'm not sure what they will do (or, if the USA will still exist).

    As for all those voting for the lesser of two evils....I honestly think that voting for one person so another person doesn't win is the most immoral thing you can do short of physical aggression to get your way. Just think, if all of you (both Dems and Repubs) voted for a third candidate they would win easily. The media has you in a trance called the false left/right paradigm. Both parties are far left of center, both parties are corporatist (i.e. fascist), both parties fit snuggly in the Wesley Mooch mold.

    I, personally, am going to grab some popcorn and single malt scotch and enjoy the comedy that is the election cycle. Well.....until I get to the buzzed "I hate my fellow American" stage and cry myself to sleep.
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    • Posted by bsudell 10 years, 11 months ago
      But, the voters can break the sham; we can vote for the Constitutionalists. If it is between Hillary and Jeb, I will write in my vote. I will NOT vote for either one of them. And, I think more and more Americans are beginning to feel this way.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 11 months ago
        I am starting to believe the Government Party is smelling political blood in the next election. Theirs. I find that rather refreshing.

        Let's see what their next trick might be.

        Good post!
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  • Posted by autumnleaves 10 years, 11 months ago
    My wish is for all 20,000 of us on this site to agree on whom is the best candidate to vote for, and vote en masse. Could this be possible?
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    • Posted by KCLiberty 10 years, 11 months ago
      Nope. As AJ above demonstrates, even Atlas people are part of the false left/right paradigm. There are only 2 things that could make a difference. A "None of the above" on the ballot would be one way. Or, if everyone stopped voting for Democrats and Republicans. And that, as evidenced by even people here, will never happen.
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