Exactly. I will vote but never for Jeb or Hillary.

The republic was never meant to be there.

Puking instantly comes to mind.

It took this to show you that?

You about have it narrowed down about the same as me.
If the cream fails to rise up out of the GOP corruption of power, I'll be voting for a Libertarian candidate before I would ever vote for a Jeb Bush.
I will vote. I feel it is my patriotic duty. Even if I write-in Mickey Mouse, my voice will be made if not heard.

Do what I did two years ago--SHRUG. You can then sit Bach and watch the idiots with amusement!

I hate the phrase "repeal and replace". It should be repeal and get the government out of Health care.

As are the candidates. Can you imagine 2016 and the choices are Hillary and Jeb?

I keep sifting thru the Republican field to find a worthy candidate. So far Walker, Fiorino, Paul and Trump are the only ones I want to listen to. Not sure they would make a difference but I'll listen.

They're all part of the same old establishment. By all indications, a socialist like Bush III should not even consider the option, yet he is so sure that the establishment machine will get him there inspite of what the voters want - clearly, voting is not a one for one deal!

For the most part, voting appears to be a joke.

freedomforall is beginning to sway my thinking too.
Lately the GOP "in power" has really been p-g me off.

Democans or Republicrats, doesn't really matter.
The country is on the road to hell no matter who gets elected. The difference is the Demos have us on an express train to hell, and the Repubs want to put us on a local, which would make a few stops prior to arriving at the infernal destination.

I've grown completely tired of the Repubs making promises to stop Oblabla before an election, then caving when it comes time to stand up for their values.
They always have an excuse: "We only have the House." So now they won the Senate, and that excuse is gone. Now it's "We don't have a veto-proof majority".
OK, so if a Repub prez gets elected, and they retain control of Congress, what will their new excuse be? I can foresee what will happen when they try to repeal Obamacare: the mainscream media will run story after story about the poor people that "will lose their health care", and the Repubs will cave again. Their excuse will be "We don't want to take away the social safety net." It won't matter that the left will redefine "social safety net" to include Obamacare as being necessary; the Repubs never seem to realize when the left changes the rules to benefit their own agenda.

Thanks.

There were some independent states that survived the Soviet collapse (thus far.) Maybe there will be 2 countries named Georgia ;^)

Yes. Perhaps the Republicans would move slower but we end up at the same place.

Excellent as always Straight. I like the comparison to the Bill of Rights. Few words and yet a very powerful document. Hard to believe the number of people supporting this who openly admit they don't know whats in it???

That would be preferable to the status quo. However, I think that this civil war will be along the economic lines (and cultural) and will be too intertwined for geographical separation. It will likely be winner takes all. After all, we have become a copy of the Soviet Union, so may as well use them as an example of our future.

Good point. The left didn't oppose it based on any kind of principle. The GOP just sucks.

Hope we see some third party alternatives that have a chance of winning. I have been trying to vote for the person and not a straight party ticket. Still, you may be right Freedom, Too many disappointments.

The left voted it down because the Trade Adjustment Assistance component wasn't rich enough. The GOP tried to pass fast track with the taa uncoupled from the bill. I have no idea why the GOP would be pushing anything Obama cooked up.

For my take on TPA, see "Trust Me, Charlie Brown," which I posted on SLL and Galt's Gulch this morning.

The excuse that Lincoln used to attack the south was "to save the union."
At that time the European powers had some chance of taking advantage of the two nations that would have resulted: the Union and the Confederacy, although it was a pathetic excuse for the war. (That's why the history was changed to the "free the slaves" lie.)
However, today, if the socialist states of DC, New England, Chicago, WestCoast, and Hawaii were separated from the old South, old West, and Heartland, the result would be 2 of the strongest countries in the world.
There is no reason to maintain the union except tradition and fear of failure by the socialists, corporatists, and banksters in control of the Dark Center.

It's amazing. I heard that and couldn't believe it. What a twisted mess.

Whenever I feel a glimmer of hope something like this happens.