It is quite clear why a person would refuse to show there papers, they value freedom enough to risk something to maintain it.

Whatever force a people allow to be used upon them is the exact amount of force a government will exert upon them. If you allow papers to be checked because they feel like doing so for some reason the next step to greater power will be taken down the road.

I would prefer we had stopped it at the idea of having a social security number to be tracked with, and allowing any kind of direct tax on the people to occur, but we allowed that and lost freedom.

At what point do you want to stop it? When they are attempting to take all kids into youth programs to indoctrinate them with how great equalization of results, rather than equalization of opportunities is? They are all ready doing that so do we wait until they make it law that all kids live in dormitories and not with there families from age 12 up?

It moves one step at a time to greater and greater control until you find yourself without any freedoms. Our founders understood this and pushed back at a stage far before where we are today.

Would you rather wait to push back until the only recourse we have is to pull out our guns and go to war? Maybe until we do not have even that method to attempt to preserve the freedoms we still have and reclaim some we have lost. Where do you draw the line?

I have been pulled over for speeding ticket and refused to provided any papers until they got a warrant. Its painful and you can only do it when you have no where you need to be, but its not constitutional for them to do anything without the warrant. They can not seize your drivers license or your vehicle registration without a warrant. Whenever you can make them do the work before you show it to them.

We must push back in every way we can or we will simply loose more and more freedom until we have non left.

We have these checkpoints in other locations too. Try driving on the old road that goes over Hover Dam. I was there for 4 hours about 6 years ago because I refused to let them search our truck to insure we were not a terrorist threat to the dam. They started to direct other traffic around me because I would not move the truck at all until they told me I was free to go.

I should have used references to Hitler, Stalin and Mao but did not. I simply asked them if they had a warrant to search my vehicle which they said no, then I told them they could not search it then. They persisted and I said get a warrant then, and they may have tried and failed I do not know. They finally just let me go through.

Anything people get riled up about they are using to attempt to subdue us. that is what its all about, condition the Americans to be slaves and they will become slaves and get out of the way of the new world order.

Its all about mental conditioning. They are doing this on the boarders and emergency alarms in air ports where everyone is to stop walking and stand in place. Wherever possible they are conditioning Americans to obey the authority even when it they are unconstitutional and unreasonable.

The frightening thing about this is how many of the DHS personnel do not appear to be capable of thought. They have a list of questions--the same questions--which are repeated seemingly by rote. The only response received other to repeat the standard questions is to summon a "superior" or to make threats.

It is also refreshing to see that many Americans are fighting back.

they have been doing this for years along the NM/AZ/TX/CA border. right on the interstate. it is looking for illegals, but it's also drugs or who knows what else? everyone bends over backwards to accommodate whatever they ask so they won't be detained. they have drug sniffing dogs as well.. We have Arizonans in the gulch-I'm surprised they're not commenting about these stops in their state?

As I understand it, DHS claims to be able to set these up anywhere within a 100 mile distance from a border, including the coast. It's estimated that includes some 85% of the US population.

Do you think this is about illegals?

I started to shake just watching this and I don't have asthma.

I have seen them up to 100 miles in. some are stops along interstates and are permanent. Others are set up for awhile and then moved elsewhere.Requests can include searching your car if you let them. they can detain you for hours. Even though they say they are border patrol (Immigration) they have drug sniffing dogs sniff around the outside of your vehicle. This is how at least two of those NM cases happened where they detained citizens and forced them to undergo medical tests and procedures looking for drugs.

Wth!? And this is NOT at a border crossing?! Where were those clips filmed? Loved the comparison to Nazi Germany. OMG that made me go cold seeing that that is happening in the US!

It's further complicated in some states for those with a permit. Some states say you have to notify and others say you can no longer refuse to present DL and permit when asked.

I don't worry too much about ID. When I get pulled over I hand the DL and permit out the window together without being asked to. I do this because both the cop and I are armed. There are things in this world worth dying or killing for, but a misunderstand is not one of them imo.

My line is drawn at the "where are you going" or "what are you doing" challenge. I remind them that I have been cooperating with them as far as presenting ID and permit, but that my business is my own. I work a rotation shift and travel at all times of the day and night, so I have had a few occasions to try this out. Seems to work pretty good.

say it ain't so will...although the SCOTUS has upheld that cracked notion, I say....well, I say is this the time to make the stand.? I make stands every day-but have not at checkpoints. heck- I gave that one lady a tamale one time (at 2:00 in)

Show your papers was my smart ass way of saying that at the sobriety check points here they ask for driver's license.

Show me your papers, citizen. Heil Hitler !!

As to Constitutional protection, it applies to any person in this country, not just citizens.

what papers???
will, I'm sensing you are a law and order man. I'm going to cut you some slack since you have little kids and rules are a big part of parenting. You should not have to state you are an american citizen when asked.

I do not understand why someone would refuse to state that they are a citizen of the United States, but then claim the constitutional protection afforded to a citizen. It seems illogical to me.

Sobriety checkpoints around here are different as they tell you that you have to produce your papers and submit to a alcohol test.

I do not understand this tactic on American soil. And people just go along with this questioning and harassment. But one thing I always tell my kids is....even it it's somebody's 'job' to ask you questions, or be your boss, or in an authoritative position NEVER make it easy for them to treat you like shit. Ask questions, take up their time, demand answers... do NOT make it easy for them.
(and I love the part where the check point guy says, after the driver tells him he has no fruit, "I'm not going to take your word for it"...then why the hell even ask??? Just hold everybody at gun point and search their vehicles then. Gestapo!!

If I knew 100% for certain that these blocks were finding illegals and that those people were being immediately deported 100% of the time I would be more supportive of this, but the way it’s run it is just another piece of government crapery.

Illegals are found this way as well as drugs. It is still not right to detain your own citizenry if they are not suspected of committing a crime. Think-sobriety check points. That's what they are today. Tomorrow?

It’s perplexing that we foot the bill for illegal checkpoints that end up harassing American citizens at the same time the DOJ ignores current deportation rules.

So the lesson here is just don't give in. Make them flinch, ignore the badge, and understand your rights in the situation. Of course this should only be happening at the border, where you should show your identification,so they know you are a citizen. However if they are stupid enough to put up such stops, we should be ready to resist them. Thanks for the warning.