EPA says it intends to regulate emissions by US airliners

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 10 months ago to Government
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Really? We need more government regulations from the EPA? Seems like just another junket to squeeze money from both ends. bet they end up with "fees" and fines for engines that do not meet rediculous standards. And of course, the Great Excuse: "Global Warming". I am not believing every jet in the world will cause a measurable effect. Next the airlines will raise prices to "offset" my carbon to get somewheres...
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    Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 10 months ago
    Perhaps the administration could lead the way with a bold gesture...no more jet travel for elected officials for domestic travel! Going to a fundraiser in Chicago Mr. Obama? All aboard for Amtrak? Headed home for a long weekend Mrs. Pelosi? Ride the dog! Greyhound, I believe, still has service! Just think of the reduction of carbon emissions and taxpayer savings!

    What's that? No, you don't want to bite the bullet with the rest of us? Then STFU!

    It occurs to me that the reason politicians fight so hard to get re-elected is that they don't want to have to earn a living under the laws that they've passed.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 10 months ago
      That's why they must be put out to pasture after every two terms max.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 10 months ago
        There"s been talk of term limits since FDR. If everyone wants it, why isn't it a reality? The pols don't want it, that's why.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
          As I recall it was passed and signed into law as part of the Contract With America but...the Supreme Court declared it illegal, the States refused to make it law where they have the power, the nation as a whole along with electoral college and few other s things refused to amend the Constitution and lack of citizen involvement and responsibility to keep pushing for the next step killed the whole idea.Contrary to popular belief the Court is not the end all be all as an amendment voted in by the nation trumped everything. I use past tense since it's all past tense along with the little not so far fetched joke of Obama refusing to abdicate.

          To quote the Constitution and Bill of Rights you first have to have one.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
            Well, we do have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights, it's just they are underfoot right now being used as door mats...
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
              I know that and you know that but I like to remind people that the one's currently or supposedly running for office belong to the two parts of the Government Party that doesn't know that.and have shown no signs of learning for the last fifty years. I think instead of Government Party we should call them the Greater And Lesser Party - or Evil for short. Their supporters are those who support evil and smile in your face at the same time.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
          Dog, you are correct, Term Limits have been nothing but a game and manipulation tool. The dynastys just want people to think they want it, so people will always wait for "next year", "next congress" or "next president", rinse and repeat and pretty soon another generation of Kennedy's are spawned. Or Clinton's, or... Nope, they definitely have no interest, or reason to ever let it through.
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    • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 8 years, 10 months ago
      SaltyDog, don't be silly! We both know that there are rules for US, and rules for THEM.

      Regulated aircraft emissions (with the exception of Our Dear Leader's fleet of course) falls into the former category.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 10 months ago
        I'm thinking its better if they 'champion' this one themselves... modify the Dear Leader's plane and when the crap works well and adds to the bottom line instead of detracting from it, then we can look at retrofitting 100s of thousands of planes over a period of decades.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
      Actually, on top of that rant, when I read the skimpy article, it occurred to me that the idiots in charge might well tell the airlines to strap on a catalytic converter on each engine, and actually think it would be done. An Ayn Rand moment if ever there was one....
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      • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 10 months ago
        Strapping on a catalytic converter won't decrease carbon dioxide emissions. Actually it would increase them by completing oxidation of the unburned hydrocarbons.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
          Well, in reality yes. I was speaking of the insanity usually presented to government as "The Plan" which never makes any sense, but either a special interest bought (remember "grapefruit"?) or some genius sold as a bill of crap to the unwitting drones in the cubicles as a "good idea"...
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          • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 10 months ago
            Yes, the whole idea of the government regulating CO2 emission from jet engines is ridiculous. Nobody is more concerned about that than the airlines themselves, because CO2 emissions are directly proportional to fuel burned, and the engine maker that produces an engine that is 1% more efficient than its competition sells more engines to the airlines. So why does the government need to get involved when the whole air transport industry is already highly motivated to reduce fuel burn? Getting the gummint more involved will only lead to poorer service.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
              I agree, but must say that there was one thing that (god forgive me) they actually made work with regulation: airlines. When regulated, there was a really good level of service, and some sanity to the system. Now, airlines couldn't give a crap less about the customer, you go where they want you to go, and by buying up all the smaller competitors, you have 3 or 4 giants who will squeeze you till you drop, pack you in a seat three sizes to small for a midget, and then make you pay to get your bag, encouraging people to shove potato sacks in the overhead that cripple you when the lady opens the bin to get her purse and it falls on you. With the stranglehold, the start ups have to go cheaper and make it worse, and if successful, get bought out again. You used to be able to get a flight nonstop across country, now you tour every hub, and pay a premium for the privilege of getting there with only one or two visits to some exotic destination. I know this is sacrilege, but I flew through the 60's until last year, and the last 8 years have seen it become a tortuous experience fit for an S&M movie. Unless you get lucky and become the emergency exit dude...
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
      You sir, are a very observant, nay, bordering on genius! My thoughts exactly, well said. That is exactly one of the major problems we saw in AS, and now reflected in our current crop of Elite Idiots. Do as I say, not as I do, and pay for all my stupid ideas and wants. Let me charge you for all my pseudo science babble talk and special interests, since I make the rules. Impeach me? Try it. I will lie cheat and buy my way around you oh so silly democracy.... I get tired of all the politicians arrogant crap..I am beginning to think this isn't something that has just come about in the last few hundred years but has been a fatal human character flaw for millennia. Thank you for you comment. Got me all stirred up now....
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 10 months ago
    EPA only needs to get out of the way and acknowledge the inherent beauty of capitalism which, in the interests of profit, offers the newest, most fully featured and most fuel-efficient aircraft, without "help" from the EPA.
    There's little money to be made flying passengers in old, worn-out, fuel guzzling aircraft - which is why socialist nations and fly-by-night cargo companies typically operate them.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
    If we cannot get the EPA abolished or severely limited right now, then one of the options is to hope that they become so excessive that they alienate their own power base. You will note that the date of implementation for these regulations is a couple of decades away (since it grandfathers aircraft existing before the reg was passed).

    The presumptive ability to fly across the country at a moment's notice is part of the model of every corporation and I think that restricting this will be a shoe that pinches very tightly for business. I will note that I have been wrong on issues like this before - I never thought that CA would vote to strangle agriculture in its Central Valley - but the cause and effect _should_ be near enough for most businessmen to see.

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
      Jan, I think it all depends on how they implement their plan. They could do like they did with trucks and just make the average over time go down, or they could require some kind of draconian cuts that cannot be done. Right now, it seems to be a lot of claims and statements and assorted BS, with little substance. The point is, what else will he idiots add to their list of items to control? I think they wanted to control cow farts once but gave that up as a bad job....
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
        nickursis -

        I would favor abolishing the EPA, but I cannot see a path to that happening (other than wishful thinking). I can see a path to downsizing them and minimizing their power: one of the threads that leads to this is their implementation of draconian controls that cause inconvenience to a large segment of the population. There would also need to be a pretty plain cause-and-effect (since we humans are not good at that). If they slowly increase pollution standards for airplanes over a 20 or 30 year period, nothing will trigger. If they implement strict regulation that has massive impact on business, then we might get some of the EPA's power taken away.

        So I am hoping for them to be idealistic and unwise.

        Jan
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  • Posted by PaxInSky 8 years, 10 months ago
    This sounds like the government-industrial complex. General Electric and Boeing are at the forefront of airliner efficiency. EPA regulation will force airlines to buy new aircraft. An inefficient "Clunker" may be more cost-effective than a new vehicle. It may take a regulation or a subsidy to replace them.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago
      Beware the "climate fixing subsidy" effort. Just like the electric car subisdy etc, they will want more from us to give to an airline, just to buy new so they can claim "victory". Seems to be the pattern, and I really do not want to pay for their agenda.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    The continuing cost of maintaining a partially free society is reaching a tipping point. Soon, the majority of those employed will be working for the government and the so will the general citizenry when the taxes and regulations cost more than the income of the diminishing middle class.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 10 months ago
    This new regulation is stupid. The EPA probably doesn't have any engineers on staff. They are the Pres meat puppets. They have have no idea how a jet engine works. The new engines built by GE and Rolls Royce are the most advanced fuel efficient ones developed so far. Boeing and other builders so say to the govt give us the ET antigrav technology that is hidden by the "other military" then we can build non-polluting passager air craft. That will stop the EPA in their tracks.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
    It is interesting that the very same creatures that have poisoned our environment with stupidities, cronyism and the shear lack of environmental knowledge should now go after a system of mass transportation that actually is more efficient than any other type of transportation. Will they reduce the level of climate engineering chemicals that were and perhaps still being sprayed upon us? Probably not, however, I am sure they have a plan to put a catalytic converter in your pants next! These creatures are not scientist, not smart nor conscientious...they are just another part of the Kakistocracy.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago
    So much for the "friendly skies"...

    This is just another government takeover of private industry they are trying to just sweep under the rug. First, they try to dissuade people from travelling through the absolutely worthless TSA (a 97% FAIL rate in detecting _real_ weapons). Knowing that isn't working, they now try to restrict flying altogether.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 10 months ago
    Of course the EPA never bothers to invest in studies to see if the levels they want to apply are feasible or reasonably affordable. If the cost of air travel goes up, the number of passengers will go down. Of course liberals don't understand economics, or they wouldn't be generating regulations that harm the industry.

    Boeing and Airbus have made huge investments in efficiency, driving the engine technology. Both companies are in the process of adding electric motors to the landing gear to reduce the need to run the engines at high levels (70% throttle) while taxiing. Both companies have studied hybrid, hydrogen, and electric aircraft designs, and realized the technology to make these designs workable is a long way off. All of this is market driven, so more regulation isn't needed.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 10 months ago
      That's not an accident. EPA is controlled by far-left ideologues whose real purpose is to shut down industrial civilization, starting with the US.

      And the reason so much "science" seems to favor that view is that EPA and its foreign equivalents hold nearly all the purse strings. Scientists who publish anything that disagrees with that party line have their careers destroyed. Reason did an article on this some time ago. This is why I equate EPA with the State Science Institute.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 10 months ago
    The headline can be classified under the heading of "No Surprise There". I read somewhere a few months ago that they also have regulations for backyard barbecues.
    This crap all comes from Obama. He's the head of the Executive Branch, and all he has to do is put an activist environmental lawyer in charge of the agency and tell him to write as many regulations as possible. Anywhere that somebody is burning a carbon-based compound, carbon dioxide is being emitted, and they can use the universal excuse of "Global Warming" to justify more regulations.
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