EPA moves to regulate new wood stoves

Posted by stargeezer 10 years, 2 months ago to Government
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So these regs will make present stoves 80% more clean and in five years they are going to make them tighter.... and then you will be able to breathe the exhaust right out of the flu - of course they will be so tight that the biggest fire you'll be able to build will be the size of a farmers match.

I wonder just how they plan to stop all the pollution that floats into the US from other countries? "Our" air, lakes and streams are all cleaner than they were before the pilgrims landed and passed their first gas here, but that don't matter. The EPA will still be tightening the rules on US until we aren't allowed to breathe without a catalytic converter over our mouth, nose and butt.

We have got to get rid of these people.
SOURCE URL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-moves-to-regulate-new-wood-stoves/2014/01/03/b08cb232-7484-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html


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  • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 2 months ago
    What I find so funny is all these medical conditions that have been “LINKED” to wood burning stoves. They cite no actual cause, case studies, or even claim a provable cause and effect. It’s all just “LINKED” to this and that.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 2 months ago
    "We have got to get rid of these people".

    Zero fossil fuels burned equals
    Zero pollution equals
    Environmentalist's ultimate goal – No People.

    Who is going to get rid of who first?
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 2 months ago
    The EPA has become drunk on its perceived power over those too fearful to stand and say, "ENOUGH!". This is merging nicely with a book I've almost finished, btw; 'Frankenstein Candidate'.
    These Eco nazis have so completely insinuated themselves into every aspect of our lives, regulating the minutiae, and in effect, putting into place the UN's Directive 21. The fact that humans as a whole have actually turned to other fuels for warmth, and there are more forested lands in this country now than there were a century ago, because of reforestation, of course does not make the news. We are not burning wood as our sole fuel, or even coal for that matter. The air is cleaner than it was a century ago. (Pittsburgh is a now pristine example of that, but that's a whole different can of worms...). The EPA needs to be reined in, hard, before they cause even more collateral damage to humanity.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
    "The new rules do not apply to wood heaters already in use or to residential fireplaces, "

    Bullshit.. "other wood fired heaters". unless there's a specific exception for fireplaces, they've no other practical definition.

    I don't see where it says coal burning stoves will be affected...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
    "The Environmental Protection Agency moved Friday to curb emissions of particles and gases from residential wood stoves and **other wood-fired heaters** built in 2015 or later,"

    *fireplaces*. Comparatively few natural fireplaces are built these days, most have artificial fireboxes. This is going to affect the housing industry, and going to deny people alternatives to green energy.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago
      I've lived in communities were they banned wood fireplaces/stoves. A community where EVERY house probably had one. The community was at 10000 feet so fireplaces were key to the design of the house. I am imagining lots of homeowner criminals and woodsmoke compliance police. luckily I sold the cabin before the law took effect.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
        "Johann's folly they called it... What do you think now, eh?"

        "But, your seedlings, they are dead, jah? Here, we will grow more."

        - From ancient memory, "Farmer in the Sky" by Robert A. Heinlein.

        Johann's folly was the fireplace he put in his house on climate-controlled Ganymede, and the apple tree he planted outside his home.

        When a moonquake destroys most of the colony, disables the climate control, and the survivors have to head for the pressurized "city", Johann and his family remain in their home... cozy warm, burning his foolish apple tree in his foolish fireplace.
        Thanks for triggering the memory, khalling.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago
          I don't understand.
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
            In the story, everyone made fun of this one colonist who felt a real home should have a fireplace. He also planted a tree when everyone else was trying to grow annular crops. They laughed at him for that too.

            Then you tell me about them passing a foolish ban on fireplaces where such were integral to the homes. Cold climate, thin atmosphere... my mind made the connection.

            I believe somewhere else I pointed out that my brain doesn't work like normal people's... :(
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
          I'm a firm believer in Serendipity (Which I believe was the name of the Torchship in "Time for the Stars")...
          In looking up the info on Farmer in the Sky, I came across this tidbit...

          "Heinlein also postulated that the surface of Ganymede was volcanic rock like the Moon. Subsequent discoveries have shown that Ganymede's crust is actually almost 90% ice or frost, covering a subsurface ocean."
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer_in_...

          Hot dog! I was excited about farming long-chain hydrocarbon compounds (petrochemicals) from Titan, but... WATER! I gotta get me mining rights on Ganymede asafp. Great news that there's water ice available that far from the sun. Of course, it'd be more useful a bit closer, but... nevermind.


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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 2 months ago
    "Our" air, lakes and streams are all cleaner than they were before the pilgrims landed and passed their first gas here
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    On what data are you basing that claim?
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
      The same "carbon dating" the talking head on Hannity used to determine that the ocean is the warmest its been in thousands of years...
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