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  • Posted by RonC 12 years, 2 months ago
    I learned 2 careers ago that a "loser" will always shift the blame to someone else, and accept the credit for himself when thing go well. On the other hand, A "winner" will stand up and say, "I messed this up, it will never happen again!'. And of course, When accepting accolades he extends the credit to everyone else in the organization. These traits combine to make all of the 8 things happen in degrees.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 2 months ago
    All the stuff about logical fallacies is true, but to assign it to one ideology is nonsense. These are common logical fallacies that crop up everywhere.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 12 years, 2 months ago
      It is true that logical fallacies can crop up in any philosophical argument. Here's my hypothesis why: You are bound to get tripped up by your own words when your political ideology is based on your own desire to change the rules whenever it suits you!

      That's the biggest problem I have with liberals: the sheer hypocrisy. Their guiding ideal is simply "I get to change the rules when it is convenient to me and you should just ignore everything I said up to this point." It's also the primary reason why liberals make such terrible policy decisions. They have the most convenient amnesia and even when directly confronted with lies such as "if you want to keep your healthcare plan you can keep it" they make excuses as to why what they said doesn't really mean what they said.

      That's why I can at least have a discussion with conservatives and libertarians: they have a principle which can be discussed and debated without constantly having to go back and tell the other that they can't change the rules halfway through a debate.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 2 months ago
        No one who really thought about it thought "you can keep it" meant you would be able to buy the same plan for the same price but without underwriting. That was obvious salesmaker's exaggeration. Any reasonable person would know eliminating underwriting, by definition, means a cheaper product for high-risk people and a more expensive product for low-risk people.

        Let's not discuss in this thread how bad President Obama was to use this questionable sales tactic.

        Instead, I question the whole notion of liberals and conservatives having particular ideologies, and I certainly reject that idea that one side is based on the desire to arbitrarily change the rules. In the 90s I naively believed Democrats that reducing Medicare payments to shore up the program was actually destroying the program. Twenty years later the parties reversed their positions. Democrats cut payments for their healthcare initiative, and Republicans warned it threatened the Medicare system. I do not believe they follow an ideology anymore.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 12 years, 2 months ago
    Every child is born a socialist. The child receives all his needs from others, gives nothing back and one of the first conscious words that a child utters and then continuously repeats is - "mine!" As a child grows up and is given tasks to perform, takes risks and learns about responsibility, he matures into an adult who appreciates individual liberties, which are based on the pride of individual achievements. But what if that child is never really given any responsibilities and has no achievements and no pride? What if that child stays a child? The government schools today do not teach responsibility, individual achievement is spread across the group and pride of achievement does not exist because there is no real achievement. So a socialist, who has never grown up, solidifies and expects the society to continue to nourish him. Worse, by not trusting himself to achieve anything, he does not trust his fellow men to be capable of individual achievement either. That is why the socialists' "arguments" are not really logical arguments, but more resemble childish discourses and that is why logic cannot possibly work with them - they are not mature enough to understand logic. They understand and respond to emotions, exaggerations, threats and force, just like any child.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 2 months ago
      "But what if that child is never really given any responsibilities and has no achievements and no pride? What if that child stays a child?"

      He ends up waxing floors at Walmart in his old age?
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      • Posted by strugatsky 12 years, 2 months ago
        Not necessarily. The government provides the required training for that older child to quickly learn that welfare or a deadbeat government jobs are viable alternatives. The government also trains them to qualify for disability, sometimes by relaxing their bladder muscles in a psychiatrist's office - that is only required once a year, and the benefits keep rolling...
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  • Posted by Lucky 12 years, 2 months ago
    Good.
    Caution when reading- do not confuse the Nobel Peace Prize with the Nobel Prize.
    Many winners are undoubtedly worthy. Maybe I am getting old and grumpy but to me the standard has dropped from around 1979.
    I found item 5 useful - the list of political contributors. Kock v. labor unions. I'd like to see the other big private sources listed.
    What I'd like to see is suggested responses to each of the 8, one liners on the level of the
    pseudo-point made.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
      Id' like to see a graph of Koch Bros. contributions vs Dread King Soros contributions.

      I have my assumptions what that graph would look like, but I would like confirmation.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 12 years, 2 months ago
    They are missing one very important tactic, the appeal to self-sacrifice and "Duty to others". This is particularly important to remember in light of objectivist theory and thought. Liberals place YOUR self-sacrifice to others above everything else. In liberal intelligentsia the most noble of things one can do is to place another above one’s self....the problem with these liberals is that they are not usually willing to sacrifice themselves, just others, for the sake of the downtrodden.
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  • Posted by Stormi 12 years, 2 months ago
    The article did not mention the non-thinking liberals, who argue in circles and without end, but not with their own thoughts, rather with "talking points". It is so frustration to try to engage in a discussion, someone who has no thoughts and can only repeat what they have been told to say, when it it clear they have done no thinking of their own. Then there are the liberals, who use the Delphi Technique or the Alinsky Technique to try to control rather than discuss any topic. If they can but make the other person feel alone in a belief, they can control him. I have seen both types of liberals as guests on FOX News many times, as well as those in each community, whom we encounter daily.
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  • Posted by Dargo 12 years, 2 months ago
    Get a life, the RINO's do the same thing: you heard it on CNN, it is all Clinton's fault and the list goes on
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 2 months ago
      what is all Clinton's fault?

      Bobby and Tommy are two little boys who hate each other so much they will not do anything together.
      They are questioned after a pie is stolen.
      Bobby points at Tommy and says Tommy took it.
      Tommy points at Bobby and says Bobby took it.

      Obviously, they both took the pie, right?

      If, however, Bobby took the pie, then Bobby is a lying sack of suet, and Tommy is honest.

      Now, make Bobby a Democrat and Tommy a Republican, and you will have revealed why your equivocation is all wet.
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