I don't consider it mental illness. I think of it more like having mousy brown hair and dying it red because you always wanted to be a redhead.

Jan, does not dye hair

I do not actually make the same distinction you do: to me, getting a facelift or tats are the same as changing gender: You are sculpting your body into what YOU want it to be. (You and I agree on societal pressure.)

On the topic of backlash - yeah. That is fine. Other people have other opinions and they should be able to state them. You can mod your body; they can rag on your for so doing.

Egyptian and Polynesian monarchies encoded adult incest into the marriage customs of their royal families. So did European dynasties, though they had to get the pope's permission (and that would not be for siblings or offspring). Unlike you (and I am not a mother, please note), I have no problems with the concept of incest.

Jan

Even by PC standards, I don't see what was so offensive about what Eastwood said. I mean, Jenner WAS a famous athlete. If not for that, nobody would care if she had man parts, lady parts, or reproduced by fission.

hmm, I don't find it "wrong," but I make a big distinction between getting a facelift and changing genders. But people surely discuss "normalcy" and objective reality. If you are a person who reasons gender change is mutilation, and even if you want to be abhorred by it, you are now the abnormal one expressing an abnormal opinion. I don't care for that societal pressure. Caitlyn's coming out was indeed an attempt at glorifying her sex change. She has to be prepared for some backlash.

I had a discussion, maybe with Zen, one time about adult incest. what two adults who are consenting get up to-right? Well, probably as a mother, I am so horrified by the concept-I would never support it as being normal or sane for that matter. Am I being perfectly objective?

I do not understand. What is wrong with someone changing their gender? It is their body and their life and as long as they are paying for it with their bucks, it is just fine. If someone feels more comfy being a gender they were not born in, then more power to them to change that aspect of their lives. If they want to be 'something in between' genders, then that is fine too.

I am in favor of the individual and the right of the individual to choose their own course in life. I do not find it in any way wrong or abnormal to change genders, have a facelift, or get tats all over your body. I may not choose to do this, but that is my right to choose too.

Jan

The left just wants the right to react and remark on their repulsion so they may be put down as intolerant.
I say "Blaugh!"--and if you don't like it, I lift my teeter-totter theropod dino tail over you.

I saw all the Dirty Harry films. Dirty Harry was in trouble with the PC police before anyone called them that. That's why I supported him, and was happy to see Clint Eastwood become a suburban mayor, even if only for one term.

BFD Clint Eastwood has more class in his little finger than most of Hollywood has in their collective. His statement was not that offensive compared to what they say about people who disagree with their leftist and progressive behavior. Bruce Jenner should expect some joking and criticism. What he did to himself was disgusting.

How long do y'all think it will take for that kind of joke to be made a criminal offense?

I'm glad it's not just my old lady eyes! Hahaha

Put on a thong and go home,Caitlyn. You're
tiring and we're tired!!

Hello NMA,
He may not have said it, but I would wager he thinks it. :)
Regards,
O.A.

I can see that

I actually thought that it was Julie Newmar, with a horrible plastic surgery job, on the cover of VF... Then I just rolled my eyes and was done. This is the most I've spoken about this subject. And it's the last.
;-)

Still damn funny! I can hear his voice in it, even if he didn't really write that. Grinning here. Loved the line about the gun but back program, lol!

Apparently one cannot have a sense of humor of one is in that camp. I thought it was damn funny! Sheesh people learn to laugh at the absurdity of it!!

I stopped watching Dancing with the Stars when they tried to foist Chers offspring as man. I find that and this disgusting and abhorant. What has Jenner or any other kardashians ever produced?

" Bruce Jenner is a man,"
A confused man who is not an example to be praised for his fashion sense.

An Eastwood youtube clip that is fake, but funny just the same... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_dPhbV8...
snopes claim that it is fake: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tw...

Can you imagine the media hype if he's no longer with us? Good lord....

I have a real problem with being forced to accept what Jenner did with open arms. I, personally, am repulsed by it. I wish the guy the best. The story just churns my stomach. The media is obviously used as some sort of social engineering tool...