Dirty Harry is in trouble with the PC police...
Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 10 months ago to Culture
Yet again, point out the absurdity of a situation, and you're the cretin. The ever open-minded, tolerant left... as long as you agree with them 100%.
Now, for recognizing abnormal and calling it out, we're small-minded bigots. Bruce Jenner is a man, no matter what new name he has or how he dresses... PERIOD.
Johns Hopkins has it right: http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-...
A confused man who is not an example to be praised for his fashion sense.
I saw a picture of present-day Jenner, next to a picture of that basketball guy Dennis Rodman. They are both sports personalities who are in the public eye. But I wouldn't call either one of them "normal".
Actually, I think that being a celebrity, or a sports legend, or even someone on a box of Wheaties, de facto makes you abnormal, in the statistical meaning of the word.
Myself a Libertarian, I kinda want to be left alone. I even think of myself as one of those dots that is not under the fat part of the bell curve. Abnormal? Maybe. Yet here I am, reaching out to this group of like-minded Gulchers wanting acceptance and to get a thumbs-up, too!
No one is shoving my post into anyone's face, yet I feel like the world is shoving Bruce Jenner's little story into my face, all day, every day, and then pre-judging me for how I will react to it.
I believe THAT is the abnormal behavior which is offensive.
I say "Blaugh!"--and if you don't like it, I lift my teeter-totter theropod dino tail over you.
He is a disgrace.
One more leftist stupidity to rage against.
Similarly, it's impossible to disagree with Obama's policies on substantive, intellectual level. You either support him, or you're a racist.
Why is it a national news story?
Because the people pushing a certain agenda want it to be one. No other reason.
I do not care what Jenner does, and anything you or I do produces the same concern from him.
But here's the rub, Jenner CHOSE to make this a very public event, not a private one. By doing that he is deliberately courting public reaction. And especially negative reaction, since controversy brings reward to "reality stars".
He's like an over the hill child star, but instead of doing drugs or drowning himself in the bottle like many has-beens he feels he must share his complete failure in life with everyone. And the lapdog media, thinks this is entertaining.
I give him 18-24 months.
Any other guesses?
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You had to ruin my favorite catwoman for me.
Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why?
Nobody puts themselves through this kind of public crossfire without a reason that is compelling to them. Advancing the GLBT agenda is insufficient. If it were, he would have been prominent enough in that movement to be publicly associated with it long ago.
A change like this is a process of years, it does not happen overnight.
Give Jenner the benefit of the doubt all you want to. But dont expect everyone else to. Further, ease up on implying or flat out labelling others absurd or stupid.
I am in favor of the individual and the right of the individual to choose their own course in life. I do not find it in any way wrong or abnormal to change genders, have a facelift, or get tats all over your body. I may not choose to do this, but that is my right to choose too.
Jan
I had a discussion, maybe with Zen, one time about adult incest. what two adults who are consenting get up to-right? Well, probably as a mother, I am so horrified by the concept-I would never support it as being normal or sane for that matter. Am I being perfectly objective?
On the topic of backlash - yeah. That is fine. Other people have other opinions and they should be able to state them. You can mod your body; they can rag on your for so doing.
Egyptian and Polynesian monarchies encoded adult incest into the marriage customs of their royal families. So did European dynasties, though they had to get the pope's permission (and that would not be for siblings or offspring). Unlike you (and I am not a mother, please note), I have no problems with the concept of incest.
Jan
I think we've officially jumped the shark here. If we're at a point where there's not even agreement on the fact that incest is anathema, we're at an impass.
I also have no problem with incest, plural marriages, and a lot of other things that I regard as 'no business of anyone but the participants'.
Jan
Perhaps people are reacting to their personal preferences and the projecting their emotions. I certainly have 'my own' preferences, but it is no concern of mine what other folks do - within the stated parameters.
Thank you for your response.
Jan
On the incest front, I'm frankly shocked that anyone would even attempt to advocate for this. Free markets (and freedom itself) must be tethered to morality, or it will go the way of the Dodo.
2. Freedom may be tethered to morality, but not the kind of morality you are espousing, which violates people's right to do what they want ( unless it interferes with someone else's right to do the same ).Consensual incest is one of those rights!
Seeking a sex change is the abnormal behavior. By not recognizing it as such, we are ignoring the real problem these people have. The compassionate thing to do is to urge the Bruce Jenner's of the world to seek psychiatric help as is now advocated by those that first pioneered the procedure only to realize it was mistake (see Johns Hopkins article-- http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-...)
A far more caring societal attitude would be recognizing it for the metal illness it is and encouraging psychiatric help.
Jan, does not dye hair
What business is it of yours?
In a free society, I do not have to accept someoneās lifestyle as normal or acceptable, this is my business.
To successfully do so one would have to change the individual's genetic code.
However, I DO think that will eventually be a possibility.
You cannot distinguish a natural XY female from an XX female - they have periods and breasts and all other characteristics we associate with being a woman. They cannot get pregnant (naturally - I believe one has done so with modern med techniques), but since many women are sterile that cannot be used as a distinguishing characteristic.
So, while you need a Y to be a guy genetically, having a Y does not insure that you are. (And there are a lot of other natural XY combinations that are interesting.)
Jan
An apple can be painted orange, but that doesn't make it an orange. A is A. To deny facts is to deny reality, and that's what this entire media frenzy seeks to do. They want us to believe that he isn't really a he anymore or she really isn't a she.
I fully expect to wake up one day soon and hear the booming voice of Rod Serling narrating our PC life in America. I actually pity Bruce, and anyone else in similar situation, for the extreme mental illness they're suffering. Instead of accepting his delusion, those close to him should help him treat his illness.
There's a reason why transgenders have suicide rates 20X higher than general population. They mutilated themselves instead of addressing the root mental illness.
You are replying to a post of mine in which I describe a natural condition in which an XY individual is physically female in every outward respect. There is no mutilation occurring in this instance...but you have not commented on that aspect of transgender existence.
We already know that I totally disagree with you with respect to conscious choice to get a face lift or decide to become another gender - but I am curious to see your take on natural transgenderism.
Jan
Once sex selection occurs in utero, the process is final. There's no such thing as gender change in humans. The body can be surgically altered to look like another sex, but there is no sex change.
If a doctor is asked to determine the sex of a transgender using skeleton, DNA, or anything other scientific method, the answer will be the sex that person was born. NO true sex change is possible in humans.
Jan
The lunacy of this entire media powered attack to redefine normal is predicated on the false notion that sex change is even possible. It isn't. Appearance change is possible, but not sex change.
Appearance change, however, should NOT entitle one to use bathrooms, locker rooms, or any other facilities of the opposite sex. That infringes on the rights of other normal people simply because the "victim" decided to mutilate his/her body.
Again, we're being asked to accept a false premise. If a man wants to look like a woman, that his prerogative, but that does make him a woman and should not give him the right to impose his abnormal behavior on others.
If there were no Men's Bathrooms or Women's Bathrooms (let us imagine that all bathrooms become 'single water closets that either sex could use), would you have any objection to a person transgendering just because they wanted to as a matter of their individual freedom of choice?
Jan
If I cared for the person, I would do everything in my power to encourage them to address their mental illness instead of mutilating themselves.
My problem is their sickness infringes on the rights of others.
I get the impression from your comments that you're intelligent. That leads my to believe that your comments are intended to "stir the pot" as your assumptions tend to require Cirque du Soleil contortions in reality (i.e.- if there were no men's/women's facilities, cultural norms, etc. would sex change be ok on the third blue moon of a leap year).
The bottom line is that any rational thinking person recognizes that sex change isn't possible. Only appearance is changing. And if someone is so excruciatingly unhappy with themselves that they're will to mutilate their bodies to this degree, they have mental illness that should be treated as such, and glorified as "brave".
I genuinely disagree with your perception on whether or not a sex change is 'mutilation' and whether or not it is 'genuine'. I just do not see any purpose in fratching with you about opinions that differ - I am more interested in exploring the margins of what you think
Jan
The margins of views are no different from the core. Facts are facts. A is A, and it doesn't become B at the margins.
If Bruce Jenner's remains are discovered a thousand years from now, scientists will identify those remains as those of a man, because they are. Again, it's his business to surgically alter his body, but his sex will always be male.
Fire is hot, water is wet, and your birth sex IS your sex.
Jan
snopes claim that it is fake: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tw...
tiring and we're tired!!
He may not have said it, but I would wager he thinks it. :)
Regards,
O.A.
The fact is, I could do a standup routine focused on he/she, and people would like it. Therefore, shut up about Clint.
On the other hand, Clint was a little too artistic in his Obama bash. Too bad. Clint is a great entertainer, and stalwart man.
āJustice is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake the character of men as you cannot fake the character of nature, that you must judge all men as conscientiously as you judge inanimate objects, with the same respect for truthā (933; P3C7).
āHonesty is the recognition of the fact that the unreal is unreal and can have no value, that neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraudāthat an attempt to gain a value by deceiving the mind of others is an act of raising your victims to a position higher than reality, where you become a pawn of their blindness, a slave of their non-thinking and their evasions, while their intelligence, their rationality, their perceptiveness become the enemies you have to dread and fleeā (932-3; P3C7).
An apple can be painted orange, but that doesn't make it an orange. A is A. To deny facts is to deny reality, and that's what this entire media frenzy seeks to do. They want us to believe that he isn't really a he anymore or she really isn't a she.
I fully expect to wake up one day soon and hear the booming voice of Rod Serling narrating our PC life in America. I actually pity Bruce, and anyone else in similar situation, for the extreme mental illness they're suffering. Instead of accepting his delusion, those close to him should help him treat his illness.
There's a reason why transgenders have suicide rates 20X higher than general population. They mutilated themselves instead of addressing the root mental illness.
their criticism anymore. -- j
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