1/4 of Mexico is here, now?

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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could Ann Coulter be right? . the last time I was in
southern CA, I was sure. . and that was 8 years ago. -- j
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That, John, is the question of the millennium in my opinion. We have lost all control over our government, agencies run a muck imposing new rules every day with the force of law, our politics is a circus where each act is vying for the popular approval. It is like a giant beast and will use all it's power to ensure it's survival. All we are is it's life support system. It reminds me of the whole premise of The Matrix, humans serve the machine.I don't see any good answer, unless public awareness of the total abrogation of the Constitution and what it means can be made clear to enough people. Lou Dobbs was basically saying that tonight.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yessir, and Donald Trump will not do. . Carly Fiorina
    is a great talker, but is she the do-er whom we need? -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    there are probably at least three big drivers, I think --
    economic advantage, safety and fun -- the last being
    quality of life apart from the first two. . we have good
    medical care up here, good entertainment, good
    family opportunities like parks and churches and
    social groups . . . a better life place. . the strongest
    is probably the economic attraction, but safety
    might be first for many. . we're a long way from
    equilibrium, I'd say. . especially with the feds'
    policies, these days. -- j
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  • Posted by cjferraris 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here's the rub as I see it, you have one party that votes (and longs) for power and will vote party line with no principles, and there is another party that is SO entrenched in principles that it will have a candidate that they will agree on 99% of the time, but they will have 1 or 2 disqualifying factors (i.e. Romney is a Mormon, I'll never vote for a Mormon) that they know is the better candidate yet stay home from the polls and by doing that, they let the other candidate win by default. I have voted for the most conservative candidate I was able to all of my adult life. I'd rather say that I voted for the lesser of two evils, than do NOTHING and precipitate what has come to pass. I do firmly believe in the revolution at the ballot box. But not voting and then griping and complaining about how things are because you are SO determined not to compromise your principles (voting for someone that you have a slight disagreement with) is akin to seeing someone on fire and not trying to put them out because you don't have a fire extinguisher handy.

    I'm not going to say that this is the perfect solution, but people need to start standing up for the good of the country, not to make them feel better about themselves because they didn't compromise their principles. When the politicians realize that the citizens are united and will vote them out if they don't start doing their jobs, I'm confident that change will happen.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any one of the A.S. heroes will do. Personally, I like Hank Reardon better. He has executive experience and knows every aspect of not only his job, but everyone else's.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for getting my momentary vision of the border problem in terms of gas laws. The key is that the flow will continue until equilibrium is established. If you fill the 'vacuum' on the US side by filling job openings with people who were formerly on welfare (and prevent other folk from getting on welfare) then a new equilibrium is established without illegal immigration.

    It occurs to me that the problem with this theory is that I am only looking at a single dynamic. If you are fleeing Mexico because people keep shooting at you and your family there, then the 'vacuum' becomes 'safety' and the flow continues.

    Jan
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    do you mean the pv=nrt gas laws? . makes sense,
    but it will take capitalism to do it, and we're looking
    at capitalism in the rear view mirror!!! -- j
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps finding a person of integrity and getting behind him/her and starting a movement. It's been done before, but today, it will be hard to find a candidate and hard to find people willing to put their lives into a cause - because that's what it would take.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I live near where you moved out of - I am in a section of Castaic. Most of the people around me are Latino or mixed race (black-white) marriages (this area apparently has a rep as being welcoming). This is not a problem. Most of the people around me are working for a living.

    While I do not like illegal immigration, I would rather spend the effort to eliminate people from welfare and dissolve Obamacare. If people are looking for freebies, then they should move elsewhere. If people want to Work, then I really do not care what language they speak.

    So I see the 'sweet spot' as making the US attractive to people who want to produce and not to people who want to be parasites. If we can get people productively working such that the jobs are filled, and there are no niches for people to just move in and get welfare, then the impetus to immigrate might be less. (Kinda like the Gas Laws...)

    Jan
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, it's like my time in the hotel in CA in 07 or so --
    nothing but hispanics, from the manager to the
    restaurant. . only the guests included folks like me,
    white anglos. -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    but ....... how do we the people exact justice for
    malfeasance, when our power has been diluted by
    the collusion between politicians in 2 big parties?

    two remedies come to mind::: revolution and
    secession. . both are awful. . maybe there's a 3rd? -- j
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  • Posted by cjferraris 9 years, 11 months ago
    I think that it has to do with what criteria you use to determine the whole of immigration. If you believe that people should be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. to escape persecution (asylum) the number should be quite low who actually qualifies for immigration. If you feel that the immigrants who come here that can actually CONTRIBUTE (Australian style immigration) to our society should be allowed to immigrate, that number would be higher, but not a huge number. If you believe that immigration for economic freedom should be allowed, you would have a much larger number that teeters on the unmanageable. But I think that we have a "watering down" immigration policy which is allow open borders to eliminate any ONE ethnic group from being a majority. It seems that we've allowed more illegal immigration by far than legal immigration.

    By legitimizing illegal immigration, not only do we compromise our rule of law by setting precedents, but we also condemn our future generations to further economic decline. As time goes by, the economic "scraps" are going to have more people fighting over them. The American Dream is withering on the vine and people like to complain about it, but nobody seems to care. And I'm not saying that we have to stop ALL immigration, but, allowing just anyone across the border is IRRESPONSIBLE to say the least. Every member of government that is not following their oath of office should answer to the American people for their malfeasance
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 11 months ago
    This reminds me of a freak-out I felt during Year 2006 when I briefly lived in Hoover, AL--another satellite city of Birmingham besides where I live now (having lived in 2 others)..
    It was during a late Sunday morning at a Walmart. I was hunting a short line by pushing a cart through that space between the cash registers and the shopping aisles.
    Before me I saw over 20 people walking this way and that.
    Every single one of them was Hispanic.
    I stared at that sight in awe
    I thought this is what I should see in Mexico--not in "sweet home" Alabama.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 9 years, 11 months ago
    I lived and worked on a ranch in Hudspeth County, Texas in the early 80`s, we had to open gates for the BP to bring their horses in when they had to ride the river and check sensors. In many conversations we had, they said at that time they caught about 1 out every 10 that crossed and they caught about a thousand a month - in Hudspeth County. Common core math won`t make that better.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago
    Only if it counted all Mexicans back to and pre-dating the Bear Flag and Lone Star Republics. As one of the posters in the article section mentioned the answer is given as not being that much. On the other hand over one million US Citizens live in Mexico half the year or more. These statistics get tiresome for mixing apples and oranges and pears and mangos. Not all Mexicans are brown skinned. Some have Russian last names. Spanish however is the predominant language of three in the Western Hemisphere followed by English and Brazilian Portuguese. French and Dutch are statistically insignificant even less than are Chinese and other Asian languages. So the important bit of information in comparing the United States of Mexico and the United States of America is language. My rule is north of the border I speak English - south I speak Spanish. But then I was self educated since the public schools abdicated that responsibility. There is a book and it's title says it all. "Distant Neighbors.," Every school child in Mexico knows the name of it's northern neighbor. What percent can claim the reverse?

    Easy answer to the language question which is the lead in culture assimilation is return to a two language system. Require English for those gaining USA citizenship. Then require a second language for graduation from high school, college, or finding work with the government. Hands down the choice will be Spanish. If the schools joined the 21st century and used the Berlitz Total Immersion system it's a one week investment. But then - they don't teach English any more so that may prove a hard nut to crack.

    Statistically though the Latino population is second behind the Euro-Caucasian descendents population in size. If memory serves they are over fifty percent of the population in the five or so SW states. Useful information as compared to Ann Coulter - not at her best.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago
    Irrepressible Annie. While she seems to be just making things up in order to make her point, what she says is well researched. It completely flummoxed ol' Jorge.
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  • Posted by DanShu 9 years, 11 months ago
    I was born in LA 1951. Grew up in the San Fernando valley. I would guess the Hispanic number back when I was a kid was maybe 5 or at most 10%. I moved out about 10 years ago. One of the reasons was we had been flooded with Hispanics and they now outnumber both Blacks and Whites combined. I moved to neighboring Newhall just north of the valley. When I was a kid Newhall was known to be Red Neck territory. Now it too is mostly Hispanic. I finally move up in the Sierra Foothills. I suspect that they outnumber Whites in all of So. CA now. Based on my own eyes I believe Coulter is correct.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, Emma -- it's a heartfelt call in the woods,
    though, these days. . or so it seems. -- j
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