Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies
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"A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. Logical fallacies are like tricks or illusions of thought, and they're often very sneakily used by politicians and the media to fool people. Don't be fooled! This website has been designed to help you identify and call out dodgy logic wherever it may raise its ugly, incoherent head."
From the site:
"A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. Logical fallacies are like tricks or illusions of thought, and they're often very sneakily used by politicians and the media to fool people. Don't be fooled! This website has been designed to help you identify and call out dodgy logic wherever it may raise its ugly, incoherent head."
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I put my foot down and wrote a letter to the school explaining that he would be out of school that day.
We also explained that *we* would be showing him the movie.
We showed him "An Inconvenient Truth" with commentary from my father-in-law explaining chemistry, my wife explaining biology, and me explaining logical fallacy.
It took a while to get through, but when it was done he understood what a total piece of propaganda crap that movie was.
Learning what fallacies are and how they work can only be a good thing.
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The recent story below may amuse.
December 2013
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/two-hig...
" The other week at school my eldest son (15) was challenged by his teacher to present to the class why he is a ”climate change denier”. He had to do this presentation the next day. At the start of his class the next day he advised the teacher he was ready. She told him she wasn’t interested now, maybe another day. His classmates started heckling her saying ”You Chicken Miss”. She eventually agreed and got another teacher to sit in as well. The promo to Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth was shown before the presentation. After his presentation the class gave him a standing ovation. "
The students' presentation can be loaded from the above site.
As a teacher of four decades (now out of work and home schooling my daughter), I was always stunned at the bias in schools.
Every election I asked them who they thought I would vote for. They were always stuck 50/50.
You don't pay a teacher to indoctrinate. Fire those that do - insist on it. At the very least, they hesitate more.
And don't be biased yourself - insist on it regardless of the bias. Logic, however, is not a bias, nor is debate. Keep it up, folks.
I've taken formal and symbolic logic as well as a number of critical thinking classes. I intend that my daughter do the same at a much younger age and she already has developed a very critical mind.
I consider it one of the greatest betrayals of the Public School system that they removed logic from the curriculum to the degree they did.
1 To hang up near your computer for when you are arguing with people on the internets.
2 To put up in your kids' bedroom so that they get all clever and whatnot, and are able to tell the difference between real news and faux news *cough*.
3 To gift, in a slightly passive-aggressive yet still socially acceptable way, to someone who is forever making weak arguments peppered with fallacies.
4 To hang up in a classroom, common room or other public space to make the world a more rational place.
5 Potato.
Can someone explain number 5 to me?
Richard Ayoade (Maurice Moss - the guy with the glasses) absolutely makes the show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlQyS4-kr...
http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html
The difference is subtle, but meaningful. An attack on someone's character is not an Ad Hominem fallacy.
An Ad Hominem "attack" is when the content of the argument is dismissed BECAUSE OF the person's character, regardless of whether or not the argument is true, or even if the argument is thought of at all. It's not an insult, it's not a personal attack, and it sure as hell isn't an "I Win" button every time someone is laughed at.
And I will not be buying a poster that can't get it right.
If I assert that you must be for or against my ideas ignores the possibility that you have no opinion about my ideas.
Let us begin.
There are times when black or white reasoning is in fact fallacious. There are certainly situations where it can be applicable, to be sure, but there are also situations where it is not.
For example, between anorexia and obesity, which is good and which is bad? The obvious answer is that they're both bad, and that the good lies in the middle, or the median between two extremes.
As Aristotle says, the ideal lies at the mean between the extremes of excess and dificency.
http://www.plosin.com/work/AristotleMean...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean...
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist."
Galt
Liiiiiike:
Some taxes go to supporting children.
If you are against all taxes, you are against supporting children.
How's that for a black and white fallacy?
Maybe it's a bad name. I like the false alternatives fallacy much better.
Although there are certainly some issues where one side is absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong (I personally view the issue of LGBT rights in this way), there are also other issues where both sides have a portion of truth, and where clarity can only be achieved by viewing things from multiple perspectives.
In his book "Rich Brother Rich Sister," Robert Kiyosaki says that he must frequently remind himself that God gave him a right foot and a left foot, not a right foot and a wrong foot, and that there are often many different ways to solve any particular problem.
http://www.amazon.com/Rich-Brother-Siste...
A metaphor I like to use is this: hold up your index finger at arm's length, and close one eye. Now open that eye and close your other one. Notice how your finger appears to change position? That's because your eyes are offset from each other. Your position changes your perspective. But if you open both eyes, and look through both of them together, you get something that you never could have obtained by looking through only one eye or the other; you attain the ability to perceive depth. Only then, when you use both of your eyes in unison, are you able to perceive the true position of your finger in three-dimensional space.
And some issues have more than two sides. Some issues may have twenty sides, or more, as seems to be the case with the overlapping fields of economics, politics, and social sciences. In situations such as these, one would be remiss to make an attempt at declaring what is good and what is not without fully considering all possible angles. This is one of the reason's why I've been enjoying Ludwig von Mises so much; he has the clear, cool, levelheadedness to calmly dismantle socialism from a scientific point of view rather than a moral one, while also acknowledging that other social issues, such as environmentalism, cannot rightly be called irrational, and can still have a potential justification, albeit a non-economic one.
"The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence, if they lack understanding. On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isn’t the real point. But they are more or less ignorant, and it is this that we call vice or virtue; the most incorrigible vice being that of an ignorance which fancies it knows everything and therefore claims for itself the right to kill. There can be no true goodness, nor true love, without the utmost clear-sightedness..."
~ From Albert Camus’s "The Plague" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plague
1.you cannot know that some parts of an argument are right and some parts are wrong , unless you know what is right and what is wrong.
2. there's a little bit of truth in every argument: whoever says this is a moral coward. they do not want to take responsibility for evaluating the world.
3.Camus: many people know the evil of their actions and they do not care. they do not think other people count or it's for the greater good. they do not not care how they achieve that goal, only the achievement is important. for ex: it is impossible to look at the world and see communism is good for people, yet people argue this daily. some in here. this is not an argument from ignorance. It is about power.
4.multiple solutions: there are multiple solutions on how to build a car, however, there are not multiple solutions to the speed of light in a vacuum. there are not multiple solutions to gravitational force on earth. try building a car with multiple solutions on the laws of acceleration, inertia, and gravity. In order to command nature, one must first understand it. A is A. If you try to solve a problem assuming A is B, you get nonsense or WORSE, death and destruction.
5. There is no moral duty to pro-create. Rand is clear. You do not have to live for the species. You may not ask for special rights or claim victim hood or expect that everyone agree with one's sexuality choice. Opinions are owned. You have no right to ask the world to give that opinion up or force feed an opinion.
Anyway, while it's certainly true that there are many absolutes, there are also many paradoxes. Regarding the issue of Communism, I do agree that history has proven it to be an unworkable theory based on many false assumptions (Ludwig von Mises points out in his book "Socialism" that Communists and Socialists have many very basic misconceptions about economics). But we should not allow the fact that Communism and Socialism are destructive to interfere with our logical reasoning ability, nor should we let that fact drive us to make foolish conclusions regarding mathematical calculations or the existence of paradoxes. Whenever you try to label any particular thing as an absolute, you must necessarily base your claim on several assumptions, and as such run the risk of closing yourself off to potential new knowledge. ;)
For example, you claimed that the Earth's gravity is an absolute. It is not. Although gravity itself is absolute, the local gravitational force on Earth actually fluctuates in spacial terms by about 0.7% over the Earth's surface because the mass of the Earth is not uniform. It also changes over time, but does so very, very slowly due to plate tectonics. The total mass of the Earth is also slowly but constantly increasing due to the gradual accumulation of space dust and occasional meteorites striking the Earth. If you were to simply proclaim that the Earth's size and gravity are absolutes and never change, you would close yourself off to all this knowledge.
The speed of light in a vacuum does certainly appear to be a constant, though that absolute relies on the assumption that our current scientific theories are true.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Re...
Mathematically speaking, there are many paradoxes which undermine the idea that everything is always exact and precise. If you would like, you can familiarize yourself with some of the more famous mathematical paradoxes by watching the following video:
Zeno's Paradox - Numberphile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Z9UnWOJ...
After you're done with that, you may want to explore a few other YouTube videos about mathematical paradoxes. It'll make you reconsider Ayn Rand's claim that there are no contradictions (such a claim requires mathematical proof, which Ayn Rand never provided, indicating that she was probably an even worse mathematician than she was a philosopher).
Also, if you're going to insist that A must always be equal to A (a mathematical equation otherwise known as the Reflexive Property of Equality), there's a book you ought to read called "The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates," by Howard Bloom:
http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Problem-Go...
Review of "The God Problem":
http://www.kurzweilai.net/book-review-th...
And one other thing I must point out is that even if we accept the Reflexive Property of Equality (A = A) as completely true, that does not automatically exclude the possibility that A could also potentially be equal to B. The reason I say this is because A and B are both empty variables with no specific value until given one (this is basic algebra here). You can make them unequal by assigning them different values from each other, but they are not unequal inherently; they CAN be made equivalent if one desires them to be so. Watch, I'll give them equivalent values now:
A = (-2) + 2
B = 1 + (-1)
In the above problems, both of the equations add up to zero. Therefore, they are equal. A = B, at least for these given equations. Of course you can assemble other equations where they are not equal, but asserting as an absolute that it's totally impossible for A to ever equal B under any circumstance would be mathematically incorrect.
Another book you should read (I know, I'm recommending a lot of books) is "A Mathematician's Lament," by Paul Lockhart. Here's a short excerpt:
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Mathematical objects, even if initially inspired by some aspect of reality (e.g., a pile of rocks, the disc of of the moon), are still nothing more than figments of our imagination.
Not only that, but they are created by us and are endowed by us with certain characteristics; that is, they are what we ask them to be. Not that we don't build things in real life, but we are always constrained and hampered by the nature of reality itself. There are things I might want that I simply can't have because of the way atoms and gravity work. But in Mathematical Reality, because it is an imaginary place, I actually can have pretty much whatever I want. If you tell me, for instance, that 1 + 1 = 2 and there's nothing I can do about it, I could simply dream up a new kind of number, one that when you add it to itself disappears: 1 + 1 = 0. Maybe this '0' and '1' aren't collection sizes anymore, and maybe this "adding" isn't pushing collections together, but I still get a "number system" of a sort. Sure, there will be consequences (such as all even numbers being equal to zero), but so be it
In particular, we are free to embellish or "improve" our imaginary structures if we see fit. For example, over the centuries it gradually dawned on mathematicians that this collection, 1, 2, 3, et cetera, is in some ways quite inadequate. There is actually a rather unpleasant asymmetry to this system, in that I can always add rocks but I can't take them away. "You can't take three from two" is an obvious maxim of the real world, but we mathematicians do not like being told what we can and cannot do. So we throw in some new numbers in order to make the system prettier. Specifically, after expanding our notation of collection sizes to include zero (the size of the empty collection), we can then define numbers like '-3' to be "that which when added to three makes zero." And similarly for the other negative numbers. Notice the philosophy here – a number is what a number does!
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"A Mathematician's Lament," by Paul Lockhart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mathemati...
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematicians-Lam...
The 25 page essay which was the precursor to the book (PDF format):
http://mysite.science.uottawa.ca/mnewman...
Earth’s gravity: Absolute does not mean constant. Gravity exists that is absolute. The gravitational force can obviously change.
Speed of light: This is an absolute in a vacuum or more accurately in a closed system – period.
Zeno’s Dichotomy paradox: The logical error of Zeno’s dichotomy paradox has been shown centuries ago, it ignores that the amount of time is shrinking also.
Logical errors in math demonstrate that the person has made an error. A logical error in physics shows that we do not have a complete understanding of the science. The error is in our understanding, not in reality.
I do not have the time to show you every logical error you want to put forth. But suffice it to say you were wrong on the first four cases you decided to bring up.
Perhaps I did get a bit confused about the distinction between an absolute and a constant. Perhaps you could clarify that distinction for me?
But anyway, I would say that reason alone cannot allow a man to discover reality. Rather, man must rely on experimentation and observation to determine what is true. Logical reasoning is an indispensable part of that process, to be sure, but it is not enough by itself.
And yes, a logical error in math does indeed demonstrate that a person has made an error. In that you are correct. However, a logical PARADOX is not the same thing as an error.
Maybe Zeno’s Paradox was a bad example. What do you think about these other paradoxes?
John Searle's Chinese Room
Hilbert's Infinite Hotel
Einstein's Twin Paradox
Schrodinger's Cat
Also, what is your opinion regarding Quantum Mechanics?
An absolute is a fact of reality but that does not mean that its magnitude and direction cannot change. A constant is something that does not change in magnitude or direction. We know that as you accelerate an object its mass increases exponential as you approach the speed of light. That is an absolute, but it is not a constant. We know that the frequency of a wave changes to an observer based on whether the source is approaching or moving away from the observer. That is an absolute, but the amount of frequency change varies, so it is not a constant. The speed of light is both a constant (in a closed system vacuum) and an absolute. In everyday language it might be acceptable to use the two terms interchangeably, but in physics or philosophy they are not the same.
Observation: Absolutely observation is essential, but reason is the tool for organizing the multitude of facts we are presented. For instance, a door shuts unexpectedly. That is a fact, but how you interpret and organize that fact is based on reason or the lack thereof. If you use reason, you notice that the trees are blowing outside and the wind blew the door shut. If you renounce reason you attribute it to a spirit or a ghost and ignore the tree blowing outside your window.
I believe the logical positivist attempts to use reason divorced from observation to understand reality. Rand discussed this superficially and stated that some philosophies attempt to understand the world by only immediate perceptual events (empiricism at its philosophical extreme) and others attempt to understand the world by reason without any reference to observation (rationalism, I suppose, at its philosophical extreme).
Sorry, I am not familiar with all these paradoxs you cite, but I am very familiar with Schrodinger’s Cat(there are at least a couple of posts in the gulch which spend a fair amount of time on this). First of all, there is still a debate about the statistical interpretation of quantum mechanics. Second of all Schrodinger’s Cat confuses cause with effect. It suggests that the state of the cat is only determined once the observer opens the box. This is based on a misinterpretation of the uncertainty principle, which is that only by observing do we determine the state of a quantum mechanical system. There is nothing in the math or experimental evidence that suggests this idea. However, the math does not demand the opposite conclusion. Recent advances in physics have shown that the uncertainty principle is the result of the wave nature of matter and the whole observer determining the state of a quantum mechanical system is incorrect.
Quantum mechanics (QM)s: There is a lot of hand wringing about where physics (I can point you to several books) is going and whether it has lost its path. While I studied physics in grad school and I have my opinions, I do not have enough evidence (skill) to prove my point of view. Nothing in Schrodinger’s equation suggests that it is a statistical evaluation of a where a point particle might be, it is a wave equation. Schrodinger, Einstein and many others never bought the point particle statistical interpretation of QM. However, they lost the argument among most physicists. But now the problems with point particle statistical (PPS) interpretation of QM are rearing their ugly heads. For instance, there has never been any conceptual explanation of the wave particle duality; spin is incorporated into QM particles, but point particles can’t spin; the electric force of a point particle goes to infinity as you get close to the particle – this is papered over with some renormalization mathematical trick. Several physicists are suggesting that the PPS approach to QM needs to be revisited including Carver Meade. Most of these people are suggesting a wave approach to QM. One interpretation is that an electron is a spherical standing wave. Feynman worked on this approach with some success, but then dropped it. Other people are picking up where he left off. They clearly do not have all the answers, but this approach eliminates a number of problems with PPS approach to QM including Schrodinger’s cat. In my opinion, we are going find out that everything is a wave, but that our math was not up to solving the wave equations and therefore the approximation of the PPS approach, while wrong allowed us to move forward. I think the fact that we have run into a number of problems in physics indicates we are the verge of discovering many new and interesting things.
What I think is interesting as I revisited this subject recently is that the physicists’ metaphysical philosophy clearly affected whether they went down the wave approach to QM or PPS approach to QM. I would say that those physicists with an Aristotelian metaphysics were more inclined the wave interpretation of QM, while those physicists with a Kant-Hegel point of view were more likely pushing the PPS interpretation of QM.
Von Mises & Austrian Economics: I am guessing that some of your ideas are being shaped by Von Mises/Austrian economics. Many Austrian Economists including Hayek are metaphysically and epistemological more aligned with Plato, Kant, and Hegel than Aristotle, Locke, and Rand. Hayek basically argues that we need free markets because our knowledge is limited, not just today but inherently. See this excellent paper by David Kelley on point http://www.atlassociety.org/hayek-ayn-ra.... Thus to Hayek freedom is the result of the limit of our ability to reason, to Rand freedom is the necessary condition for a rational animal and she does not accept any (that may be a bit strong) limits on our ability to reason. Because of this Austrian economists tend to emphasis the limits of our knowledge. When they see that physics has run into a problem, they don’t see it as an opportunity to learn more, but a failure of reason. They tend to see Einstein’s theory of gravity as in complete contradiction with Newton and showing Newton had no idea what he was talking about, for example. That is not the way a real science works. Newton and Einstein’s theory of gravity completely agree within certain limits; that is part of how we know Einstein’s theories were correct (at least within certain realms). Austrians tend to emphasis the subjectivity of pricing in the market and the social nature of economics. However, new research in economics broadly called “new growth theory” shows that Rand was right and economics can be based on an objective basis that does emphasize the social nature of economics. Specifically, new growth theory shows that all real per capita increases in wealth (income) are the result of increases in our level of technology, i.e., our mind, not from increases in capital, land, and labor. It also points to the objective approach to economics, which is that economics is study of how humans create the things necessary for their lives. This points to an objective approach to how prices are set and shows economics applies outside of any social interaction.
I disagree. Some revel in evil.
They just don't care as long as their perverse desires are met
"For example, between anorexia and obesity, which is good and which is bad?"
Insufficient data for a meaningful answer.
Sorry, I learned to escape that trap a long time ago.
Everything can be reduced to a binary answer. If not, you haven't reduced it enough.
The Demoncrats want to spend 1.5 trillion more than receipts.
The Republcans want to spend 1.3 trillion more than receipts.
Which one is right?
c. None of the above.