the usaf treated me so well that I rarely gripe, but
this warrants a real grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -- j
.

Well...you can grumble along with me then!

Grrmph, ravhgha, fmrph.

Jan

as poor blacks are used to prop up the race "industry"
and hispanics are used to prop up the buy-the-votes
industry ....... lotsa exploitation going on out there!!! -- j
.

Jan, you are wonderful. . I had such a bad case of
stage fright that, despite being a crack shot with my
dad in the woods, I missed the ribbon when I got a
one-hour chance at a usaf range. . got rid of the
stage fright in grad school, about 12 years later. -- j
.

K, can you help me with AVA? . and I would like
to state flatly that this analysis shows how great
you are at cold hard rational thinking. . Thank You! -- j
.

they have hurt womens' lives in so many ways,
from engendering horrible attitudes by men to
the belittling of the primary family anchor role
of the mom. . Well Said Emma!!! -- j
.

ummmm, K, how can govt be credited for a big chunk
of gross domestic product? . is my IRS bill a product?
I guess that the military constitutes product. . and
the quarter in my pocket. -- j
.

I just read an interesting post at Atlantean Gardens. It may go some way to explaining the Jew hatred of the Germans prior to WW2.

The outline is that the Germans had defeated the British; Zionist Jews wanted British Palestine; American involvement to save Britain was the reward for British transfer of British Palestine; when Germans realised that they had been routed they were pissed.


http://atlanteangardens.blogspot.com.au/...


Of course one group that manipulates to gain advantage for itself draws resentment. Others that claim similar identity suffer as a consequence of manipulation they had no knowledge of or support for.
[Modern day Australian politics has something analogous - when one of the two major party suffers overwhelming defeat at the ballot box, the opposition claimed "mandate" to pursue all of its policies.]


EDIT: making the URL link work.

Why does the government have to have a say in who marries whom?

I don't quite understand what the problem is in the first place. If homosexual men or women want to marry a person of the same gender, feel free. Who cares? As long as I'm not impacted, I don't care. If, on the other hand, homosexuals are granted some kind of privileged status, that's another story. By that I mean if some court were to decide that since they won't be procreating they should be exempted from school taxes or a discount on property tax, now we have a problem. Other than that, just leave me alone.

False bullshit. I am really tired of this completely bogus claim.

We gay folks that support right to marry are not trampling on anyone's rights. The government butting into what someone can do in their business has been going on an awfully long time and is not our doing. Hell a lot of us don't support such government strong-arming.

Either you believe in equal rights under the law or you do not. A is A does apply to that.

Not really. Gay folks have been having het sex with willing partners to reproduce or a long time. Remember that sexuality is not a binary switch also but a bit of a continuum for an awful lot of people. Lastly the development of a fetus happens in stages and some of those stages are implicated in settings of things like gender and perhaps even sexuality.

I find out all sorts of interesting info in the Gulch.

Jan

His party got a majority in one election, but its leadership (Hindenburg and Ludendorff) were very reluctant to put him in charge.

Once they did, his faction took advantage of a rule of the Weimar parliament, that if parliament started arguing so much that nothing could be done, then the Chancellor was allowed to rule by decree. From that rule (and the Reichstag fire, his excuse to declare an emergency) came his promotion to dictator.

Yes, I have heard it originally meant gays were to be burned -- during the same period when "witches" were burned. The Nazis also revived the practice.

Nothing wrong with that, because the "gay agenda" is nothing more than the fair treatment everyone's entitled to expect anyway. They're not like the greens, who want to take away our homes and cars because being comfortable "is a sin".

All I can say, Jan, is wow. Interesting

Would you support legislation extending all the rights of marriage to gay couples without the designation of "marriage", but an alternate designation such as domestic partnership (or any other designation that is rational)?

Here's the crux of the matter......................

"Two people who love each other should have the right to spend the rest of their lives together with ALL the freedoms AND benefits (the real issue here) as their heterosexual counterparts. On the other hand, why MUST it be called Marriage, Marriage has ALWAYS been between a man and woman as sanctioned by a religious and/or governmental organization over the last millennium."

Thus, man/woman = marriage, same sex = domestic partnership (or any other designation that is rational): same rights (which exist by man's nature [qua man]), same legal protections and privileges, same benefits, etc., etc.

Excellent............................especially "Since no one starts from fundamentals, ........"

The Internet is a wonderful place. What it looks like is that while only a small percentage of the German population were Nazis, a very large percentage were followers of the cult of Hitler himself. It was noted that the Germans continued fighting until Hitler committed suicide (as opposed to tossing their rulers out in WWI). Hitler apparently controlled Germany for 12 years and while there were no surveys taken during that time, the estimates I found were that 20% - 35% of the people did not support Hitler.

I knew some Germans from that era; Eric had marched in the German army (and spent WWII in a Russian prison camp. Did you know that however hungry you are, you cannot eat crane?). He still really thought that Hitler had been right and that the Jews were the 'problem'...but you had to know him really well before he would say anything like this out loud.

Jan

<snark> Yeah, in *every* language! </snark>

Neat. Thank you.

So..."French rat" is redundant?

Jan

Good to hear from you Sunjock13.

Not sure I understand why a business owner can't decide who they want to serve, even forgetting about the religion, but there is a lot of wisdom in your comment.